Re: Olympic legacy : Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:40 pm  

Dally wrote:

The problem is that Union leaders generally set their members agenda for their own ends, rather than the other way round...

This is BS, based (I assume) on ignorance of reality.

And believe you me, I know a shed load more about the subject than you do. And that is a fact.

Dally wrote:

... As a result, they represent a threat to stable, democratic government...

More Dally BS.

Dally wrote:

... The thing you do not seem to understand is that privatisation of utilities, the railways, PO, etc (and which has now spread to the NHS) has come about not for any economic reason but to break up the power of unions with national memberships to hold the whole country (and thereby democracy and freedom) to ransom. If union leaders had always acted responsibly and in their members best interests (rather that what, at best, they consider in their wisdom to be their members best interests) then we would not continue to see the destruction of the good things in our society.

Well done on not even remotely answering the questions I asked. In that, you indicate either your inability to do so or your unwillingness, since you don't like the conclusions you'd be forced to reach.

And the only reason for privatisation, in the face of facts, is private profit for the likes of The Minister for Murdoch and his nose-in-the-trough mates.

But go on – you keep supporting corrupt and venal behaviour, and trying to pretend it's about something different.

Re: Olympic legacy : Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:41 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Well, it was a lie.

The TUC website itself (which might know) says: "Frances has been an active trade unionist and campaigner all her working life. She has been employed in a range of jobs from shop work to the voluntary sector."

Fair enough, I'll take your (or the TUC's) word on it, though it was the BBC News that reported this, and I've never known them to have any particular need to throw mud at the Unions.

I must say though, that CV of hers is awfully vague....I'm guessing among all that 'voluntary' work, there was plenty of feathering of her nest, in anticipation of the comfy lifestyle she can now look forward to enjoying, leading the sheep in their demonstrations.

Re: Olympic legacy : Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:42 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Fair enough, I'll take your (or the TUC's) word on it, though it was the BBC News that reported this, and I've never known them to have any particular need to throw mud at the Unions.

I must say though, that CV of hers is awfully vague....I'm guessing among all that 'voluntary' work, there was plenty of feathering of her nest, in anticipation of the comfy lifestyle she can now look forward to enjoying, leading the sheep in their demonstrations.

Feel free to guess – and feel free to prove that your guess is even remotely near the truth.

I look forward to hearing back from you when you have sourced the evidence to prove your suggestions.

Incidentally, the BBC is dismally anti-union/labour movement. But hey, let's not facts get in the way, etc ...

Re: Olympic legacy : Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:56 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Feel free to guess – and feel free to prove that your guess is even remotely near the truth.

I look forward to hearing back from you when you have sourced the evidence to prove your suggestions.

Incidentally, the BBC is dismally anti-union/labour movement. But hey, let's not facts get in the way, etc ...

Hey, I'm willing to go along with you, its just what I've read and heard and about her suggests another classic Union leader, who enjoys fighting the good fight while having a very comfortable existance.

The bit I've read about jumping from studying politics straight to a job at the T & G union, then onto the TUC indicates somebody with little 'real life' experience, an accusation people like to band about at the modern day politicians of all persuasions.

Its good to see the Unions aren't averse to following the party line over such matters.

Re: Olympic legacy : Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:44 pm  

Mintball wrote:

This is BS, based (I assume) on ignorance of reality.



Well done on not even remotely answering the questions I asked.

Oh, reality again. Are you related to Sal?

Which questions do you refer to? There was a series of what I assumed were ranting, rhetorical ones. Are those the ones?

Re: Olympic legacy : Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:56 pm  

Dally, I'm a public sector worker. I earn about £17 000 a year. I am barred from looking at this forum from 8:30 to "dinnertime" and from then to end of shift.
You are in the private sector but have the time to read and post in the working day.
Why aren't you working?

Re: Olympic legacy : Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:13 pm  

Hillbilly_Red wrote:

Dally, I'm a public sector worker. I earn about £17 000 a year. I am barred from looking at this forum from 8:30 to "dinnertime" and from then to end of shift.
You are in the private sector but have the time to read and post in the working day.
Why aren't you working?

I am self-employed. If I mess about I earn not a penny, just like I didn't when I went on holiday recently. My choice.

Re: Olympic legacy : Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:46 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Hey, I'm willing to go along with you, its just what I've read and heard and about her suggests another classic Union leader, who enjoys fighting the good fight while having a very comfortable existance...

Now, let's try some logic, shall we?

Why should someone not have a "comfortable existence" when "'fighting the good fight"?

And what do you mean by "comfortable existence" in the first place?

Bankers' pay, perchance, for screwing up the country?

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

The bit I've read about jumping from studying politics straight to a job at the T & G union, then onto the TUC indicates somebody with little 'real life' experience, an accusation people like to band about at the modern day politicians of all persuasions...

So the shopwork and voluntary work, mentioned in the TUC biog, is a lie, is it?

Re: Olympic legacy : Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:48 am  

Dally wrote:

... Which questions do you refer to? There was a series of what I assumed were ranting, rhetorical ones. Are those the ones?

They were not at all rhetorical.

You started this thread to have a big whinge at those nasty trades unions, because the nasty trades unions have said that their members might strike over successive pay cuts. Thus, since you started this thread about exactly that, answer the questions:

Mintball wrote:

... Why, for a single, solitary minute, do you believe that people should just put up and shut up, when they're struggling to make basic ends meet?

Why, for a single, solitary minute, do you believe this is what the economy needs?

Why, for a single, solitary minute, do you apparently believe that the very rich getting ever richer while everyone else gets poorer is even remotely acceptable?

And what, if these trades unions have got it so wrong, should be done?

As Chris said, this is what you appear to be suggesting:

Chris28 wrote:

:lol:

TBH, they should just tug their forelocks and get back to work the lazy barstewards

Re: Olympic legacy : Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:18 am  

Did the games REALLY ''Bring The Country Together(tm)'' like we're constantly being spoonfed?

IMO it's only succeeded in making some rich people richer, corporations richer, and some bandwagon soundbites for the 'arris-holes in the Government