Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:04 pm  

Cleaning up the homeless then forcing them to join, growing their numbers and giving them justification to exist? Just like religion. Its not like senior members of the SA have called for homosexuals to be put to death. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 6407035593 Having just checked they have taken their mission on homosexuality of their website and it's now under review. Gotta get the wording right to avoid more bad press!

Cleaning up the homeless then forcing them to join, growing their numbers and giving them justification to exist? Just like religion. Its not like senior members of the SA have called for homosexuals to be put to death. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 6407035593 Having just checked they have taken their mission on homosexuality of their website and it's now under review. Gotta get the wording right to avoid more bad press!

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:39 pm  

I can't speak for other churches but here's how the CofE manages to fund its infrastructure asset management ...

My kids went to our local Junior School which was a CofE funded school dominated by the vicar from the church 500 yards away (his wife was the head), in the first year that my kids went there our business accountant had himself volunteered to be the Parent/Teachers Assc accountant.

This was a school that had been built in the early 1960s and had been expanded several times by the addition of several of those "temporary" wooden classrooms which are actually not very cheap to build and which often turn out to be a lot more permanent than originally planned.

Several times a year the PTA organised functions for fund raising for the school and at one of our business meetings with the accountant I asked him how healthy the PTA budget was and what did it get spent on being as the kids (in the 1990s) only had one computer per classroom to share, his reply surprised me.

The fundraising every year was purely to pay for the loans on the various temporary classrooms and with a few more years and a big push towards the end he was very hopeful that within his tenure the PTA would actually manage to pay off the last loan on behalf of the school.

Which got me curious, so I asked which bank the loan was with, it wasn't with a bank it was from the Church of England, so of course my next question was "Who will own the classrooms when the loan is paid off then, the PTA ?", no of course not, the CofE owned the classrooms, they were part of the asset sheet.

So just to tie all this up, the Church of England owns the school and owns the land that it stands on, within a few years it desperately needs to expand its premises and so the CofE lends the CofE School fund to expand and then the CofE school gets members of the public (who are indirectly also funding the school through the local council funding) to pay back the loan to the CofE and all the while the buildings remain assets of the CofE.

Thats bloody smart business practice is that - thats like taking out a mortgage on your home and then having bring and buy sales every month to get your neighbours to pay it off for you.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:15 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

My kids went to our local Junior School which was a CofE funded school dominated by the vicar from the church 500 yards away (his wife was the head)

If the rest is true about the land and buildings being owned by the church once the loan has been repaid, then that is scandalous.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:19 am  

Cookridge_Rhino wrote:

:LIAR:

If the rest is true about the land and buildings being owned by the church once the loan has been repaid, then that is scandalous.

It most certainly is - if your location is correct you'll be quite familiar with the CofE school in Cookridge ?

Exactly the same thing happened during the same period when the church bell tower needed re-roofing and strengthening - who do you think paid for that, the building owners or the general public - the CofE, reputed to be one of the wealthiest landowners in the country since Henry VIII gifted them wealth almost unmeasurable always turn to public donations when their infrastructure needs maintenance, the term "Gods House" doesn't rest very well on their shoulders when it needs repairing, God doesn't do DIY apparently.


And the head who's husband was a vicar is long gone now, driven out by public demand, if you know the current vicar ask him about the bag lady headmaster ...

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:41 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

I can't speak for other churches but here's how the CofE manages to fund its infrastructure asset management ...

So you give one example. Erm, the CofE own a lot more schools than that, most of which have the best academic record in their localities and are over-subscribed.

Some are also part funded by the government, whether owned by the CofE or not.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:43 am  

Sheldon wrote:

Cleaning up the homeless then forcing them to join, growing their numbers and giving them justification to exist?

Nah, they force them to cut the head honcho's grass with scissors first.

[Kosh]

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:52 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Clearly you haven't read the judgement then.

Read from point 62. The judge has clear opinion about what was said.

Actually I have. And the judge makes no ruling on the validity or otherwise of the opinion expressed by Smith.

Possibly you don't understand what validity means in this context? An opinion can be expressed legally without being valid. For example, I could express the opinion that the moon is made of green cheese without fear of prosecution.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:44 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Nah, they force them to cut the head honcho's grass with scissors first.

I see you're trying to trivialize the matter.

Not unexpected.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:28 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

So you give one example. Erm, the CofE own a lot more schools than that, most of which have the best academic record in their localities and are over-subscribed.

Some are also part funded by the government, whether owned by the CofE or not.

I'm sorry, either you have missed my point or I am missing your point, but your comment doesn't really seem relevant.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:57 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

I'm sorry, either you have missed my point or I am missing your point, but your comment doesn't really seem relevant.

Your point was to talk about one Church of England school and then extrapolate it to apply to all Church of England schools. In other words, your post was meaningless.