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Re: Tesco Horse Burgers : Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:31 am  
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Because engaging in arguments with people engrained in their opinions is as pointless as it is frustrating.

Supply chain control ... do you have any views?
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Re: Tesco Horse Burgers : Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:51 am  
The issue for me isn't so much the mix of meat in the products (although if I want beef or lamb or whatever clearly i should be able to rely 100% on the product being what it says on its particular tin). No, the sale of any meat from places like Tesco carries with it an implicit guarantee that, whatever meat it is, they know where it has come from, what it is, how it was produced, and are happy it conforms to all applicable standards.

Thus the problem with unexpectedly finding a different ingredient isn't what that ingredient is, it's the obvious point that as it shouldn't be there, by definition Tesco are buying meat products where unbeknownst to them they suddenly cannot, at all, rely on anything the supplier says about the safety of their meat. Because somewhere along the line, somebody is making money by chucking horse into the mix (and would of course not be doing it for any other reason - as has been pointed out, properly produced horsemeat is not cheap).

The clear implication is that padding out with horsemeat made somebody money, because the horsemeat they used was nearer "unfit for human consumption" standard than French gourmet standard. Maybe someone, just for instance, nicked a container load destined for the dogfood factory.

So It's not that it's horse. That is an issue, but safety is the big thing, and type of meat is very secondary. It's that they've no idea what state that meat was in.
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Re: Tesco Horse Burgers : Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:10 pm  
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The issue for me isn't so much the mix of meat in the products (although if I want beef or lamb or whatever clearly i should be able to rely 100% on the product being what it says on its particular tin). No, the sale of any meat from places like Tesco carries with it an implicit guarantee that, whatever meat it is, they know where it has come from, what it is, how it was produced, and are happy it conforms to all applicable standards.

Thus the problem with unexpectedly finding a different ingredient isn't what that ingredient is, it's the obvious point that as it shouldn't be there, by definition Tesco are buying meat products where unbeknownst to them they suddenly cannot, at all, rely on anything the supplier says about the safety of their meat. Because somewhere along the line, somebody is making money by chucking horse into the mix (and would of course not be doing it for any other reason - as has been pointed out, properly produced horsemeat is not cheap).

The clear implication is that padding out with horsemeat made somebody money, because the horsemeat they used was nearer "unfit for human consumption" standard than French gourmet standard. Maybe someone, just for instance, nicked a container load destined for the dogfood factory.

So It's not that it's horse. That is an issue, but safety is the big thing, and type of meat is very secondary. It's that they've no idea what state that meat was in.


I couldn't agree more - the issue here is about appropriate labelling of food and the retailer having some realiable information about the provenance of what they are selling; if there is a scandal, it's that. I don't suppose many consumers will question themselves - is it reasonable for example to expect to buy a packet of burgers for ten bob and expect them to be made with the finest beef cuts? You are certainly eating mechanically reclaimed 'meat', consisting of lips, eyelids and arseholes, but I suppose having made that choice, you are entitled to know that you're eating mechanically reclaimed cows aresholes as opposed to horses.

The wider issue about the morality of eating a horse is a bit lost on me; if you're ok with killing animals to eat, I don't really understand how the line is drawn, other than the social construct that affords horses with more likeability than cows.

I'm a vegetarian by the way, hence the smugness.
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Re: Tesco Horse Burgers : Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:12 pm  
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I'm a vegetarian by the way

You must be knackered after typing all that ;)
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Re: Tesco Horse Burgers : Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:14 pm  
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You must be knackered after typing all that ;)


Cheeky sod.

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Re: Tesco Horse Burgers : Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:21 pm  
If we are eating horse in our burgers we deserve to know the tr-hoof.
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Re: Tesco Horse Burgers : Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:24 pm  
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You must be knackered after typing all that ;)


:lol:

I like Gordon Ramsay's - "Would all the vegetarians in the room please raise their hands - if they've got the strength."
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Re: Tesco Horse Burgers : Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:31 pm  
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If we are eating horse in our burgers we deserve to know the tr-hoof.


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Re: Tesco Horse Burgers : Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:54 pm  
Just a quick note that 100% beef means 100% of the meat has come from a cow - it does not mean 100% prime cuts.

If you see 100% beef you could still be eating cow's lips, udders, hoofs, etc.
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Re: Tesco Horse Burgers : Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:10 pm  
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Just a quick note that 100% beef means 100% of the meat has come from a cow - it does not mean 100% prime cuts.

If you see 100% beef you could still be eating cow's lips, udders, hoofs, etc.


Or seemingly the offal of any other farm animal whose carcass is to hand.
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