Re: UK loses triple A rating : Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:27 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

The other fascinating thing is the automatic assumption that the LibDem vote will be non-existant the next time around - based on what ?

There is the tuition fee promise of course, played a blinder there did Clegg in an archetypal "I don't care what we said, this gets me five years sitting at the top table", but other than that can anyone think of anything that the LibDems have done or said since 2010 that will cost them in 2015 ?

They have effectively sat on their hands in the same way that Labour have done with the benefit of a few of their members drawing Ministerial salaries and come 2015 you can bet that their PR people will be cherry picking various quotes to show where they were influencial in some of the more beneficial government policies (no I can't think of any off hand but they will when the time comes).

What we have is two posh boys who are now taking all the flak for the Tories and the Lib-Dems hiding behind the curtains but still drawing the salaries - come an election they'll be the party with the blank canvas ready to pitch whatever the hell they like.

We already know you'll be registering for them once again next time round JC.

Re: UK loses triple A rating : Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:59 pm  

The scary thing in this country is the amount of people who have actually given up on, or have no interest in, politics.

With the state this country is in and with such an uncertain future, you would think we should have a very high turnout at any upcoming election, yet its highly likely that come any election, we will see a record low turnout....With that in mind, it could be argued that any government are actually there by default, just stumbling along, knowing full well that they can inflict their ill thought out policies without much response, bar the political anoraks in the media.

The sad thing is, there is nobody who appears capable of inspiring people back to the ballot box - Cameron and Osborne are just a pair of upper class chancers, helped by a mainly supportive press, Milliband is unelectable simply because he is totally charisma free and Clegg is a combination of those mentioned.

It comes to something when the country's most popular politician is Boris Johnson, a man who most typifies the bumbling mess that this country has got itself into.....Its almost as if people think he represents best the state of politics today - A joke, and just there for laughs.

Re: UK loses triple A rating : Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:08 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

The other fascinating thing is the automatic assumption that the LibDem vote will be non-existant the next time around - based on what ?

There is the tuition fee promise of course, played a blinder there did Clegg in an archetypal "I don't care what we said, this gets me five years sitting at the top table", but other than that can anyone think of anything that the LibDems have done or said since 2010 that will cost them in 2015 ?

They have effectively sat on their hands in the same way that Labour have done with the benefit of a few of their members drawing Ministerial salaries and come 2015 you can bet that their PR people will be cherry picking various quotes to show where they were influencial in some of the more beneficial government policies (no I can't think of any off hand but they will when the time comes).

What we have is two posh boys who are now taking all the flak for the Tories and the Lib-Dems hiding behind the curtains but still drawing the salaries - come an election they'll be the party with the blank canvas ready to pitch whatever the hell they like.

the lib dems courted and to a large extent relied upon the student vote in 2010 and Cleggs pledge was a large part of that strategy. The lib dems treachery wont be forgotten on any campus. The lib dems also attracted a large part of the labour vote as a protets against the banking collapse by people who couldn't bring themselves to switch to the toxic tories. A significant proportion of that vote will switch back to labour

Re: UK loses triple A rating : Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:58 pm  

rhino phil wrote:

the lib dems courted and to a large extent relied upon the student vote in 2010 and Cleggs pledge was a large part of that strategy. The lib dems treachery wont be forgotten on any campus. The lib dems also attracted a large part of the labour vote as a protets against the banking collapse by people who couldn't bring themselves to switch to the toxic tories. A significant proportion of that vote will switch back to labour

The major point being that those who are most affected by the student fees, this years intake, were 14 or 15 years old at the last election, do they hold a grudge, do they recall any of it at all - the students of 2015 will have been 12 or 13 years of age when Clegg made his promise, do you know any 12 year olds with an interest in politics enough to form their allegiences at that age ?

By 2015 student fees will be the norm, no-one blinks even now when signing up for £27,000 worth of education and the idea that the postman should not have to pay for your further education seems to have won over a self-centred electorate.

Re: UK loses triple A rating : Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:00 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

We already know you'll be registering for them once again next time round JC.

The LibDems in my area are a set of p1ssheads Have a look and see what they specialise in when speaking in the HoC, its beer and breweries

I know exactly where to find my MP if I need to speak to him on any Saturday or Sunday, well that is, I can narrow it down to two or three pubs

[Kosh]

Re: UK loses triple A rating : Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:00 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

People can just as easily be conned into thinking it would have been better under Labour. That's politics.

Labour wouldn't have cut public services as far as this Government has. They wouldn't have tripled University fees. They wouldn't have wasted money on back-to-work schemes that aren't working. They wouldn't have siphoned off vast sums of public money to their mates in the private sector. They wouldn't have public money funding private schools. They wouldn't have a nutjob busy trying to turn education back 50 years. They wouldn't have screwed over the NHS. They wouldn't be contemplating the privatisation of emergency services. They wouldn't have wasted money on elected 'crime commissioners' that nobody wants.

That's just off the top of my head, and just the things affecting 'middle England'. If you add in the disgraceful actions of that scrotum IDS, demonising the disabled and the unemployed, it's hard to see how the majority of people in this country wouldn't be better off.

And I neither voted for the last 2 Labour administrations nor for Labour at the last election.

[Kosh]

Re: UK loses triple A rating : Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:05 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

The major point being that those who are most affected by the student fees, this years intake, were 14 or 15 years old at the last election, do they hold a grudge, do they recall any of it at all - the students of 2015 will have been 12 or 13 years of age when Clegg made his promise, do you know any 12 year olds with an interest in politics enough to form their allegiences at that age ?

By 2015 student fees will be the norm, no-one blinks even now when signing up for £27,000 worth of education and the idea that the postman should not have to pay for your further education seems to have won over a self-centred electorate.

My kids are 16 and 19. They both know exactly who they blame for student fees rising and who betrayed a pledge. And they are both fully aware of the implications of graduating with a mountain of debt.

They won't be voting LibDem any time soon.

[Kosh]

Re: UK loses triple A rating : Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:14 pm  

The Video Ref wrote: So, Moody's downgrade the UK's credit rating. They cite one of the main reasons as being our high levels of debt. The two main reasons are low growth. Read it here: http://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-d ... -PR_266844 Debt only gets mentioned in point three as the main factor in our predicted inability to cope with any future economic problems. At least Moody's know that you can't cut debt without growth, even if our Chancellor is too economically illiterate to realise it.

The Video Ref wrote: So, Moody's downgrade the UK's credit rating. They cite one of the main reasons as being our high levels of debt. The two main reasons are low growth. Read it here: http://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-d ... -PR_266844 Debt only gets mentioned in point three as the main factor in our predicted inability to cope with any future economic problems. At least Moody's know that you can't cut debt without growth, even if our Chancellor is too economically illiterate to realise it.

Re: UK loses triple A rating : Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:47 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

The scary thing in this country is the amount of people who have actually given up on, or have no interest in, politics.

With the state this country is in and with such an uncertain future, you would think we should have a very high turnout at any upcoming election, yet its highly likely that come any election, we will see a record low turnout....With that in mind, it could be argued that any government are actually there by default, just stumbling along, knowing full well that they can inflict their ill thought out policies without much response, bar the political anoraks in the media.

The sad thing is, there is nobody who appears capable of inspiring people back to the ballot box - Cameron and Osborne are just a pair of upper class chancers, helped by a mainly supportive press, Milliband is unelectable simply because he is totally charisma free and Clegg is a combination of those mentioned.

It comes to something when the country's most popular politician is Boris Johnson, a man who most typifies the bumbling mess that this country has got itself into.....Its almost as if people think he represents best the state of politics today - A joke, and just there for laughs.

The reason why no has is interested in politics is because of the appallingly low calibre of our politicians and their propensity to destroy eveything good about the country.

The problem with both Labour and the Tories is that they both ignore the poor and cynically suck up to the miiddle simply to get elected. Neither party tries to be positive and rebuild a great nation taking the people en masse on a journey , largely because both parties are infested by low-grade individuals who could not build anything.

Re: UK loses triple A rating : Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:17 pm  

Has an ex Coal Miner from Doncaster and naturally a Labour supporter I must admit our local MPs Milliband, Flint and Winterton are non existent on policies when this lot in power are in the mire. Only one guy seems to beat the drum and that is John Mann who took the expenses scandal forward and exposes every mistake this lot do in power, Credit rating taken away and the country in collapse ., come on Milliband or move on.