Re: Controlling Dogs... : Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:05 pm  

I'm putting it down to coincidence what with starting this thread the other day but my dog got attacked in the park where I walk him this afternoon, by another German Shepherd.

Fortunately it was a standard dog attack, a show of aggression to scare he other off, a couple were walking a large white GSD and it had wandered 30 yards or so away, my dog trotted along the path and caught up with this couple, their dog saw him with them and ran at him probably to defend his owners, he knocked my dog over, there was some snarling and barking, my dog stayed on his back in submission and then ran away, no harm done, it wasn't an aggressive attack just a show of strength.

Thats how it should work, it when more aggression is bred or trained in that it gets nasty.

Re: Controlling Dogs... : Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:18 pm  

West Leeds Rhino wrote:

My sister has a rotweiler (bitch) and a 2 year old son. I wouldn't think twice about leaving him alone with her to play in the back garden. He can poke her in the eye and she doesn't even flinch. If someone came into the garden and was a threat to him, she wouldn't let them get near him but wouldn't be dangerous - he probably wouldn't even realise anything was wrong. She is walked a minimum of twice daily on decent length walks. She is great with other dogs.

In contrast, my next door neighbour has a border collie. It's hardly ever walked now and sits in the window all day barking. When she is allowed out into the back garden she goes mental. When it was young I used to walk her as a favour and look after her quite often and she was difficult to control on the lead because her owner doesn't keep her disciplined when they used to walk her.

We took both these dogs for a walk together and the border collie tried to attack the rotweiler and every other dog at every opportunity. I hadn't walked the border collie for a couple of months and only offered becuase the owner seemed to have stopped walking her altogether. It was so viscious that I haven't walked the border collie since. It is brought up in a house which I would describe as crazy and it has rubbed off on the dog.

I have seen both grow up from pups and I feel I can definitely say that the dogs are how they are because of their owners not their breeds.

Its not always down to the owners though is it? Some dogs, of whatever breed, are just aggresive.

My sister had several dogs over a 30 year period. All mongrels. Looked after them all by the book. Had them properly trained. They were all fine apart from the last one which, for no apparent reason, attacked my niece.

Similarly a neighbour had two dogs, brothers. Not sure what breed but not one of the obviously aggresive types. One was perfectly fine, the other was vicious.

Both my sister and neighbour had the two dogs put to sleep once they realised they had a vicious streak. But I dont think either of them were responsible for the way the dogs turned out. Some dogs are just like that.

Re: Controlling Dogs... : Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:01 pm  

They should bring back dog licencing and on top of that, fine he lovers heavily who let there dogs poop all over too

Re: Controlling Dogs... : Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:06 pm  

Just a quickie for you doggiefied people.
I'm currently dog sitting (black and white collie thing) whilst sprawled on sofa awaiting Sun/Man U kick-off followed by horse racing.
Will it get cold sat out in the garden in a snow blizzard?

Re: Controlling Dogs... : Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:12 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Just a quickie for you doggiefied people.
I'm currently dog sitting (black and white collie thing) whilst sprawled on sofa awaiting Sun/Man U kick-off followed by horse racing.
Will it get cold sat out in the garden in a snow blizzard?

Aren't Collies bred for the cold outdoors of the lakes and Scotland. Get the lazy thing outside.

My sister in law had a Collie and when we had a family party all the kids were outside in the garden when we heard one of them crying, the bloody dog had herded them into a corner and was trying to nip her ankles when she tried to get out, good job it had a muzzle on.

Re: Controlling Dogs... : Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:17 pm  

rover49 wrote:

Aren't Collies bred for the cold outdoors of the lakes and Scotland. Get the lazy thing outside.

My sister in law had a Collie and when we had a family party all the kids were outside in the garden when we heard one of them crying, the bloody dog had herded them into a corner and was trying to nip her ankles when she tried to get out, good job it had a muzzle on.

This one's tame as fook mate.
If it's indoors later it'll be sh!tting itself when I'm shouting my horses on.

Mind you it's come out lovely in your little town now.
Fook it, she can stay outside for the duration now.

Can always stick it in the garage or greenhouse if it get's a bit nippie later.

Re: Controlling Dogs... : Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:18 pm  

Durham Giant wrote: As for the law my understanding is that she cannot be prosecuted because the dogs attacked the girl in private property. If it happened on the street she could have been prosecuted because she did not have control over the dogs in a public place. Well obviously you can't be prosecuted for any "public place" offence if you aren't in one, but certainly you can be prosecuted for dog attacks on private property; for example in the case of guard dogs you commit an offence, if the dog is off the leash, unless a handler is present and in control of the dog. If no handler is present, then the dog must be secured and not allowed to roam. My comment about the owners responsibility came from a news report where the female owner of the dogs had apparently told people that she was scared of the dogs and could not control them yet seemed to do nothing about it. If that was the case I would have thought there was some civil liability assuming it could be proved. I'd be amazed if there was no civil liability (for what it is worth) even if that was not the case, I don't think that's the point, as she wasn't there so it's irrelevant whether she was scared of them or not. the problem of dogs is more one of either inaction, or lamentably inadequate action, by governments over many decades. EFRA recently reported on many related issues in the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee - Seventh Report "Dog Control and Welfare" and the 'government' recently announced its intention to extend the provisions of the Dangerous Dogs Act to make it a criminal offence to allow a dog to be dangerously out of control in any place, including on the dog owner's property. If that was already the law, then IMHO that offence would be right on the money here. It is a provision which is also practicable, as it costs precisely nothing to implement and puts the onus entirely on owners of such dogs.

Durham Giant wrote: As for the law my understanding is that she cannot be prosecuted because the dogs attacked the girl in private property. If it happened on the street she could have been prosecuted because she did not have control over the dogs in a public place. Well obviously you can't be prosecuted for any "public place" offence if you aren't in one, but certainly you can be prosecuted for dog attacks on private property; for example in the case of guard dogs you commit an offence, if the dog is off the leash, unless a handler is present and in control of the dog. If no handler is present, then the dog must be secured and not allowed to roam. My comment about the owners responsibility came from a news report where the female owner of the dogs had apparently told people that she was scared of the dogs and could not control them yet seemed to do nothing about it. If that was the case I would have thought there was some civil liability assuming it could be proved. I'd be amazed if there was no civil liability (for what it is worth) even if that was not the case, I don't think that's the point, as she wasn't there so it's irrelevant whether she was scared of them or not. the problem of dogs is more one of either inaction, or lamentably inadequate action, by governments over many decades. EFRA recently reported on many related issues in the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee - Seventh Report "Dog Control and Welfare" and the 'government' recently announced its intention to extend the provisions of the Dangerous Dogs Act to make it a criminal offence to allow a dog to be dangerously out of control in any place, including on the dog owner's property. If that was already the law, then IMHO that offence would be right on the money here. It is a provision which is also practicable, as it costs precisely nothing to implement and puts the onus entirely on owners of such dogs.

Re: Controlling Dogs... : Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:19 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Why didn't you have your retreiver de-nadded if you feel so strongly about male castration?

My dog's whole and will probably remain so. Apart from the fact I couldn't take him to the vet to have a procedure I wouldn't wish on myself, my mate has a big soft labrador who, since having his balls off, now barks at anything and everything that moves. Something he never did while he still had his goolies

Worst thing I ever agreed to was to have my lab de-nadded, all because some vet asked my wife was we going to breed him, she answered no and the vet convinced her it was for the best. At the time he could be a bit of a handfull but was a cracking gundog, really soft mouthed and the best nose I've ever seen on a dog.

If he retrieves anything now, he just lets other dogs take it from him and looks perplexed, knowing he shouldn't let it happen but not knowing what to do about it.

Re: Controlling Dogs... : Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:40 pm  

Ovavoo wrote:

Worst thing I ever agreed to was to have my lab de-nadded, all because some vet asked my wife was we going to breed him, she answered no and the vet convinced her it was for the best. At the time he could be a bit of a handfull but was a cracking gundog, really soft mouthed and the best nose I've ever seen on a dog.

If he retrieves anything now, he just lets other dogs take it from him and looks perplexed, knowing he shouldn't let it happen but not knowing what to do about it.

If it makes you feel any better I bought my retriever from a gamekeeper in North Yorkshire, his family tree looked like a Who's Who in the gundog world with all sorts of champions in there, we never had him castrated but if you ever threw anything for him he'd just point to where it landed so that you knew where to go and fetch it from for him.

Re: Controlling Dogs... : Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:57 pm  

Do dogs always treat their owners return with such frenzied exaggerated excitement?