Re: Cyclists Cycling - do they annoy you ? : Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:27 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

...so a fairly bog standard response then, "jumping red lights", "wrong way down a street" and one that I haven't seen before "using pedestrian lights to cross the road".

Because until the cycle community address the quite sizeable minority of cyclists who think they are perfectly entitled to jump lights, use pavements and ride like loonies, you are always going to get this brought up.

JerryChicken wrote:

And why does jumping red lights get under so many peoples skin, is it jealousy - lets face it, any cyclist who decides to take on a motor vehicle in a head to head (or sideways swipe as the case will be), is going to die, so why are so many motorised drivers so bitter about seeing cyclists gamble with their own lives so recklessly ?

Because there is always some poor bugger in a car who has to live with the consequences of these idiots actions through no fault of their own. The questions, the breath tests, the ramp up in insurance and the thoughts of "what if".

Re: Cyclists Cycling - do they annoy you ? : Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:32 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

Because until the cycle community address the quite sizeable minority of cyclists who think they are perfectly entitled to jump lights, use pavements and ride like loonies, you are always going to get this brought up.

Read the article on the first page & if you ever have the chance compare to what happens in a country where the majority of the population would ride a bike to a nearby appointment, there is a tipping point where the sizeable minority becomes a tiny minority, where, as the article says, most cyclists don't dress up in special clothes to ride a bike and don't wear helmets because they feel safe in their separation from motorised transport.

Because there is always some poor bugger in a car who has to live with the consequences of these idiots actions through no fault of their own. The questions, the breath tests, the ramp up in insurance and the thoughts of "what if".

See above, it wouldn't happen if the situation were handled properly - and why would you have a ramp up in insurance if its not your fault ?

Re: Cyclists Cycling - do they annoy you ? : Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:09 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

why would you have a ramp up in insurance if its not your fault ?

Possibly because insurance companies operate a no CLAIM bonus and not a no BLAME bonus?

Re: Cyclists Cycling - do they annoy you ? : Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:35 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Possibly because insurance companies operate a no CLAIM bonus and not a no BLAME bonus?

They also offer a protected no claims bonus do they not, and if you are the sort of motorist that drives around without that or without doing a price and features comparison on your insurance at least once a year, then frankly sir, you are a fool.

But to get back to the original point - why the bitterness and predictable jibes about something that can be fixed by a bit of imagination and simple road markings and which might even lead to an increase in citizen health - why not follow the lead set by other european countries and recognise that the pedal cyclist has a legitimate right to use the road system without the ever present danger of being crushed by someone who's line of defence is always "sorry mate, didn't see you" ?

Re: Cyclists Cycling - do they annoy you ? : Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:16 am  

Just to clarify, when driving down narrow country lanes I usually stop and pull in for cyclists approaching (same for horses, dog walkers and people with children). Mind you, the dickhead Eddy Merckx wannabe that I nearly cleaned out on Wednesday ain't going to be cycling for too much longer. On a single track, narrow lane in Wiltshire, I was driving uphill when this clown came careering round a blind bend, in the middle of the road. He just managed to avoid my van and went scooting down the hill, gesticulating like a loon.

Re: Cyclists Cycling - do they annoy you ? : Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:22 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Just to clarify, when driving down narrow country lanes I usually stop and pull in for cyclists approaching (same for horses, dog walkers and people with children). Mind you, the dickhead Eddy Merckx wannabe that I nearly cleaned out on Wednesday ain't going to be cycling for too much longer. On a single track, narrow lane in Wiltshire, I was driving uphill when this clown came careering round a blind bend, in the middle of the road. He just managed to avoid my van and went scooting down the hill, gesticulating like a loon.

Its OK, he'll probably kill himself soon enough, Darwins Law is invoked far quicker on such cyclists than on motor vehicle drivers.

Re: Cyclists Cycling - do they annoy you ? : Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:46 am  

It should be permitted for any car driver to mow down pairs of cyclists riding side by side chatting, rather than in single file.

Re: Cyclists Cycling - do they annoy you ? : Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:03 am  

They're allowed to ride side by side, I'll be honest i think a lot of car drivers need to grow up when it comes to cyclists, in London it strikes of jealousy that they can get through traffic easy, while mr rich and unfit sits in his stationary BMW.
Another is they get held up from doing 40mph briefly on the b road to work because they can't overtake.

Re: Cyclists Cycling - do they annoy you ? : Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:49 am  

As to the original question - they sensible ones don't bother me. The idiots on the other hand do! At the Saints game at Headingley earlier this year I was waiting to cross the road outside the Original Oak and when the traffic stopped for the lights I was nearly mowed down by some beardy-weirdy on a bike who decided the lights didn't apply to him. I'm still regretting that I didn't clothes-line the 2@! As a keen walker I encounter cyclists on mountain bikes churning up the trails as they seem to like riding through muddy puddles and on canal towpaths they can be a danger often going way too fast. I move away from the canal in such cases so they have to skirt the waters edge rather than me. We have a few ultra-keen cyclists at work who spend literally thousands on their bikes and equipment and a couple of them are basically at war with motorists. Every morning there's some tale about a run-in with a motorist which seems utterly stupid to me as there is only going to be one "winner" in a coming together. One of them is still involved in legal proceedings trying to recoup damages to his equipment after being knocked down which left him requiring lengthy physio but the main thing is he was in the right! It is down to attitude but on both sides! The ones listening to music whilst cycling should be made to carry a donor card!

Re: Cyclists Cycling - do they annoy you ? : Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:37 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Read the article on the first page ...

I have but it didn't tell me anything I didn't already know.
I am heartily in favour of better infrastructure for cycling, it could reduce congestion (as in London, where cycling uptake has been huge since the introduction of the congestion charge), reduce emissions and make people fitter and healthier ... all good things.
Not that it's possible everywhere in Britain but we have to start somewhere and, I suggest, cities are the place to begin because most bike journeys are going to be short ones (as with most car journeys).
Painting a cycle lane on an existing road is, to my mind, insufficient, at least a kerb is required to separate the lane from the road to keep motorists from parking on the cycle lane or driving along it.
I'd also like to see, in conjunction with anti-congestion charging, park and ride car parks on major roads into cities, where lockable bike racks/lockers for overnight storage of privately-owned bikes, plus bikes-for-hire, as well as buses into town are available.

On the other hand, the A64 eastbound towards York has had a cycle path, separated from the main road by a generously wide grass verge, ever since it was upgraded to dual carriageway (either just before or shortly post-WWII) and, whilst it might well get used, I have personally never seen a cyclist on it.
Ditto regarding the beautifully-smooth and brand new cycle track alongside the Calderdale Way (aka Elland Bypass) ... not a soul to be seen on it.

At the other end of the scale, Hull, Norwich, Oxford and urban York strike me as places that are already bike-keen.