Re: Benefits Cap Is Legal : Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:02 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Do you have anything to back up that wild assertion?

Plenty, but it would lead to a lot of insulting PM's and abuse which I don't have time for.

Re: Benefits Cap Is Legal : Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:31 pm  

Standee wrote:

Plenty, but it would lead to a lot of insulting PM's and abuse which I don't have time for.

No different to Richard Littlejohn or Iain Duncan Smith then.

Either put up or shut up

Re: Benefits Cap Is Legal : Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:34 pm  

Standee wrote:

It's still a substantial enough number, in my opinion, and needs sorting out.

There are people posting here on RLFans that claim to be unfit for work that just choose not to, we both know that.

Theres only two people that post on here that I know who are ill and posts about it, one is me, the other has been off work for some time and has gone back, so I assume you mean me. A pretty disgusting accusation there Martin which I don't appreciate. I knew you had changed jobs but I didn't realise you worked for ATOS now. I'm not going to say any more to your post as you are not worth it.

Re: Benefits Cap Is Legal : Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:37 pm  

Standee wrote:

In an experience dealing with them every day, I'd say 30%+

I'd hazard a guess that you are not dealing with a true representative cross section of ALL claimants. So I would seriously doubt your claim of 30%. In fact, it seems way higher than what The Joseph Rowntree Foundation estimate

Re: Benefits Cap Is Legal : Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:48 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

I'd hazard a guess that you are not dealing with a true representative cross section of ALL claimants. So I would seriously doubt your claim of 30%. In fact, it seems way higher than what The Joseph Rowntree Foundation estimate

Having worked with JRF, I'd agree, I don't have a pre determined agenda.

Re: Benefits Cap Is Legal : Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:51 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

I'd hazard a guess that you are not dealing with a true representative cross section of ALL claimants. So I would seriously doubt your claim of 30%. In fact, it seems way higher than what The Joseph Rowntree Foundation estimate

You can hazard all of the guesses you want cod'ead, I deal with a very wide cross section and there are plenty that are taking the system for a ride, at the expense of those genuinely in need.

How may RLFans can post all day and night but "aren't fit for work"?

Re: Benefits Cap Is Legal : Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:59 pm  

Standee wrote:

You can hazard all of the guesses you want cod'ead, I deal with a very wide cross section and there are plenty that are taking the system for a ride, at the expense of those genuinely in need.

How may RLFans can post all day and night but "aren't fit for work"?

As Steph has posted above, she's the only poster I'm aware of who is a long-term claimant. From her posts, I'd believe that she really does have a genuine, debilitating condition. I can't think of any others.

I do hope though that you are reporting all these people who are gaming the system to the relevant authorities.

You are reporting them aren't you?

Re: Benefits Cap Is Legal : Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:11 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

As Steph has posted above, she's the only poster I'm aware of who is a long-term claimant. From her posts, I'd believe that she really does have a genuine, debilitating condition. I can't think of any others.

I do hope though that you are reporting all these people who are gaming the system to the relevant authorities.

You are reporting them aren't you?

Not my place, their own personal conscience should do that. I am not in a position to shop individuals, not my job.

Re: Benefits Cap Is Legal : Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:25 pm  

Standee wrote:

In an experience dealing with them every day, I'd say 30%+

In my experience of dealing with, as you say "them" (I'd say people but hey, I like to empathise with the people I'm working with) I'd say about 5%, but I'm not sure that out of those people, (them) what with many of those people (them) suffering from severely debilitating illnesses and conditions of both mental and physical conditions it sure don't look like a life style choice to me. I've certainly never thought "You know what, I wish I had bi-polar disorder so I didn't have to go to work every day and could just waz it of watching Jezzer Kyle all day".

Feck knows why you do the job you do because you're the last person who should be let loose near vulnerable people.

Cock face.

Re: Benefits Cap Is Legal : Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:54 pm  

Standee wrote:

Not my place, their own personal conscience should do that. I am not in a position to shop individuals, not my job.

Then I'd suggest that it is far, very far from your place to be even commenting on the subject