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Re: car salesman : Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:22 pm  
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Personally, I'd be more inclined to buy from there, especially if the salesman has handled the situation with the ranting imbecile, in a mature and admirable way.


I'd be more impressed if the salesman simply dropped the nut on the ranting 2@
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Re: car salesman : Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:02 am  
Ajw71 wrote:
...and if you don't win you don't get it back. It's a risk.

More a statement of the bleedin' obvious?


Ajw71 wrote:
...Yes specific performance would be the best remedy for the Claimant. Very unlikely however.

A court would be unlikely to give the best remedy to a successful claimant? Why on earth not? "Well, OP, you win, and the best remedy we could give you is specific performance. But we're not gonna give you that, but something less good..... because...????

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...The OP is hardly going to wait around 6 months in case the highly unlikely event occurs that 1) Judgment is entered for him and 2) Specific performance is ordered. He will just go out and buy another car and his claim will be for damages.

Why? If he goes out and buys another car, that won't alter the fact that if the court grants specific performance, then he will get a 2.0L motor at a tidy price. There is no law to say he can't have 2 cars at one time, is there?

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...He has a duty to mitigate his loss as you well know. Whether it makes people look stupid is irrelevant.

I do not "well know" that he has a duty to mitigate his loss. He has no such thing. It is entirely up to him what he does or doesn't do. What I think you are getting at is that if the court thinks a claimant could reasonably have reduced the amount of his loss by doing something he didn't do, then the award of damages will be correspondingly limited, that's all. The point you overlook is that we already know it is THE DEFENDANT'S claim that the 2.0L model is £1300 more. That figure cannot be disputed unless they at the same time make an admission that this is not true.

And making people look stupid in court, far from being irrelevant, is one of the best ways to win. In this case, try to think it through.
* if OP does not buy a replacement, the only way that fact becomes relevant is if the car dealer says he has failed to mitigate his loss, so less than 1300 damages should be awarded;
* but it is then up to them to put forward a case as to how OP could reasonably have mitigated his loss;
* to succeed in that, they would have to disprove their own case, that the reason the 2.0L car could only be sold at that higher price was, well, you can't buy one cheaper than that;
* but now they must not only prove that you can, but also that it is easy enough to do so, such that it was unreasonable not to do so!

So the case is that they made a big mistake in pricing the car up; and then they made another mistake in repricing the car when they realised their first mistake. Hearing a major car dealership trying to put that argument would be bloody entertaining, I'm cringeing even just thinking about it.
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Re: car salesman : Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:00 am  
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A court would be unlikely to give the best remedy to a successful claimant? Why on earth not? "Well, OP, you win, and the best remedy we could give you is specific performance. But we're not gonna give you that, but something less good..... because...????



Because damages would be adequate.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Why? If he goes out and buys another car, that won't alter the fact that if the court grants specific performance, then he will get a 2.0L motor at a tidy price. There is no law to say he can't have 2 cars at one time, is there?



Why on earth would he want to buy another car?

Not very practical is is?!

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:
I do not "well know" that he has a duty to mitigate his loss. He has no such thing. It is entirely up to him what he does or doesn't do.


Your ignorance of a fundamental aspect of contract law is duly noted.

The OP wants practical legal advice - not an in-depth analysis of the legal reasoning behind specific performance which he probably has no understanding of or someone telling him that in 6 months be might be able to buy two cars - ridiculous.
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Re: car salesman : Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:21 am  
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I'd be more impressed if the salesman simply dropped the nut on the ranting 2@


A man of violence. Probably claims to be a socialist too? You can take the lad out of 'ull but not 'ull out of the lad. Still not civilised after all these years?
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Re: car salesman : Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:40 pm  
Just curious....of all those giving advice/arguing on this thread, who is a qualified lawyer?
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Re: car salesman : Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:55 pm  
The duty to take reasonable steps to mitigate loss is trite law.

As someone else said earlier, the obvious thing to go for here is specific performance. I.E you want the car you thought you were buying, not one with a smaller engine.

A large dealer group should be able to locate a 2.0L model no problems.

Send a letter. If the dealer doesn't play ball with you, represent yourself in court. Judges are very skilled at dealing with litigants -in-person on the small claims track.

Once you issue your claim ACAS will be contacting you and the dealership. It will settle before it gets to a hearing.
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Re: car salesman : Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:39 pm  
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In my experience, people are quite happy to bad mouth solicitors, until they are sat in a police station going 5p 50p because someone has accused them of a criminal offence.

At which point the first thing they do is ask the police to get them a solicitor.



Are you suggesting that I was bad-mouthing solicitors, if so, you need to read what I actually said..... :roll:
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Re: car salesman : Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:58 pm  
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Your ignorance of a fundamental aspect of contract law is duly noted.


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Re: car salesman : Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:04 pm  
That would be no-one legally qualified then....?
I would suggest the OP should be very careful about that.
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Re: car salesman : Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:08 pm  
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That would be no-one legally qualified then....?
I would suggest the OP should be very careful about that.


No-one who is legally qualified and values their practising certificate is going to own up to being legally qualified when giving 'informal' advice over the internet. Or if they do, they are putting themselves in the line of fire.

Advice given, even informally, can result in a professional negligence claim. There have been cases where lawyers have been sued off the back of advice given at parties.

There was also a case where a trainee solicitor's firm was sued because she gave some 'off the cuff' advice in a 5 minute interview to someone who stuck their head round the office door. Advice turned out to be wrong, the person who relied on it lost a considerable sum of money, and the firm got sued.
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