Re: Israeli war crimes continue : Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:26 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

They are also storing mortars, rockets and guns in UN schools. This has been proven by both the Israeli's and the UN themselves. The UN are a mess, chaotic rabble that has no real control. The Hamas fighters are fighting their entire battle from residential areas. They store, use and move, all within the areas people live.

A mess in which both are as bad as each other and which needs to be sorted by the wider world. If only the major powers could get round a table and talk about it.

No surprise at all that they are fighting from within residential areas given the confinement of their "lands", as you say, a complete mess which will only be solved when both sides recognise that the other are not enemies but neighbours, and also only solved when such governments no longer have easy access to international weapon manufacturers who have no regard to where their products are being used or to what effect they are being put to - quite surprising that no-one ever asks such questions of the manufacturers, its probably the only business in the world where you aren't responsible for what your product does.

Re: Israeli war crimes continue : Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:31 pm  

"The UN are a mess, chaotic rabble that has no real control." As a member of the UN (an importnat one) have we let this happen?

I fear for myself. I live in a Muslim area and the emotions are very high. Young men are stirred up to the extent a discussion is impossible: as an ex-History teacher they do want to raise the matter with me but there is no discussion as yet.

Note to FA: the Tamil suicide bombers were often atheists or did not believe in an afterlife.

Re: Israeli war crimes continue : Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:42 pm  

Dally wrote:

Not just that but a much more powerful US, UK et al killing thousands of Iraqis when not even threatened by them. Then calling the military personnel "heroes."

Surely most people can differentiate the use of military force to implement current political policy, and the individual actions of a soldier?

When a soldier steps through the gate of a FOB, they know it is a lottery as to which one in the patrol steps on an IED, or is the one which is picked out by a sniper. And yet Dally, they have the balls to do that for everyday of their 6 month tour. Something you may consider when next you are bitchin to Mrs D about the congestion you faced on your drive home.....

And speaking of bitches, where is Durham Giant with some answers to the points I raised re Syria?

Re: Israeli war crimes continue : Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:01 pm  

Hillbilly_Red wrote:

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Note to FA: the Tamil suicide bombers were often atheists or did not believe in an afterlife.

You clearly have a point buried somewhere in your head that you want to get out, if you are ever able to explain what it is, please feel free.

Re: Israeli war crimes continue : Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:07 pm  

Hillbilly_Red wrote:

"The UN are a mess, chaotic rabble that has no real control." As a member of the UN (an importnat one) have we let this happen?

I fear for myself. I live in a Muslim area and the emotions are very high. Young men are stirred up to the extent a discussion is impossible: as an ex-History teacher they do want to raise the matter with me but there is no discussion as yet.

Note to FA: the Tamil suicide bombers were often atheists or did not believe in an afterlife.

Do you live in England?

Re: Israeli war crimes continue : Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:15 pm  

Lebron James wrote: Before I answer your question, let me just ask you a quick question. How do you know Hamas fire rockets from their schools? In fact, I will answer that question for you. "Because the BBC/Sky reported it" (What the BBC and SKY havent reported is the fact that it has been proven the IDF have doctored photographs to justify bombing schools) Did Hamas fire rockets from the beach, that led to Israeli gun boats slaughtering those young boys who were playing there? Now, how do I know that Hamas dont fire rockets from schools? I dont. However, what I do know, is a turkish doctor I have known for over 7 years who has been in gaza the whole time and who is currently working along an absolute hero in Mads Gilbert. I speak to him as often as i can which is at the very least, every other day. I will take his word that Hamas do not fire rockets from schools or shelters over the lies of Israel. In fact, he was actually working at one of the hospitals recently bombed by Israel and has told me in 7 years he was worked in gaza, not once has any rocket been fired from that hospital. What do you make of the UN, thats the United Nations, telling Israel not to bomb the UN school they bombed yesterday, 17 times. Yes, Israel were warned 17 times, but they still do it. Here is a letter from foreign doctors working in Gaza http://stopwar.org.uk/news/open-letter- ... 9ocv-NdX0c So you tell me, who are the real terrorists here? #gazaunderattack @YourAnonNews Surely you realise by now that the actual experience of people in living and working in Gaza (or anywhere else, for that matter) counts for nothing in the minds of a number of regular keyboard warriors here who prefer to get the information that feeds their views from newspapers/TV/Facebook/twitter. What on earth would your contact know compared to them?

Lebron James wrote: Before I answer your question, let me just ask you a quick question. How do you know Hamas fire rockets from their schools? In fact, I will answer that question for you. "Because the BBC/Sky reported it" (What the BBC and SKY havent reported is the fact that it has been proven the IDF have doctored photographs to justify bombing schools) Did Hamas fire rockets from the beach, that led to Israeli gun boats slaughtering those young boys who were playing there? Now, how do I know that Hamas dont fire rockets from schools? I dont. However, what I do know, is a turkish doctor I have known for over 7 years who has been in gaza the whole time and who is currently working along an absolute hero in Mads Gilbert. I speak to him as often as i can which is at the very least, every other day. I will take his word that Hamas do not fire rockets from schools or shelters over the lies of Israel. In fact, he was actually working at one of the hospitals recently bombed by Israel and has told me in 7 years he was worked in gaza, not once has any rocket been fired from that hospital. What do you make of the UN, thats the United Nations, telling Israel not to bomb the UN school they bombed yesterday, 17 times. Yes, Israel were warned 17 times, but they still do it. Here is a letter from foreign doctors working in Gaza http://stopwar.org.uk/news/open-letter- ... 9ocv-NdX0c So you tell me, who are the real terrorists here? #gazaunderattack @YourAnonNews Surely you realise by now that the actual experience of people in living and working in Gaza (or anywhere else, for that matter) counts for nothing in the minds of a number of regular keyboard warriors here who prefer to get the information that feeds their views from newspapers/TV/Facebook/twitter. What on earth would your contact know compared to them?

Re: Israeli war crimes continue : Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:36 pm  

Rochdale

as to the snide comment (what! FA sarcastic?) from FA: you made a comment that wars and political violence could be reduced if people did not believe in an afterlife which would reward them for these actions. I pointed out that the Tamil Tigers were atheistic suicide bombers. Disproving your view.
Oh, also read the Bible or Koran: both strongly emphasise punishment for those who shed innocent lives; a point ignored by many who preach their view of religion.

Re: Israeli war crimes continue : Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:53 pm  

Hillbilly_Red wrote:

Rochdale

So why are you scared? Are you saying that Britons with Asian forebears care more about people they have never met in Gaza than a fellow Briton than you and may attack you even though it has nothing to do with you?

Re: Israeli war crimes continue : Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:00 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Surely most people can differentiate the use of military force to implement current political policy, and the individual actions of a soldier?

When a soldier steps through the gate of a FOB, they know it is a lottery as to which one in the patrol steps on an IED, or is the one which is picked out by a sniper. And yet Dally, they have the balls to do that for everyday of their 6 month tour. Something you may consider when next you are bitchin to Mrs D about the congestion you faced on your drive home.....

And speaking of bitches, where is Durham Giant with some answers to the points I raised re Syria?

But people are bemoaning the implementation of Israeli government policy by Israeli troops (who are also risking their lives and getting killed). German soldiers in WW2 "were only doing their job and obeying orders" but people in this country say they should have disobeyed orders. If Iraq was felt to be an illegal war (which it largely was) why did British troops just do what they were ordered rather than refuse? Can't you see the double standards that prevail in British (and each country's own) press and public opinion. That was my point. People are outraged except when its their people who are committing the slaughter. Then it's OK by most people. Sickening hypocrisy.

By the way, I don't drive home you silly individual.

Re: Israeli war crimes continue : Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:12 pm  

Dally wrote:

But people are bemoaning the implementation of Israeli government policy by Israeli troops (who are also risking their lives and getting killed). German soldiers in WW2 "were only doing their job and obeying orders" but people in this country say they should have disobeyed orders. If Iraq was felt to be an illegal war (which it largely was) why did British troops just do what they were ordered rather than refuse? Can't you see the double standards that prevail in British (and each country's own) press and public opinion. That was my point. People are outraged except when its their people who are committing the slaughter. Then it's OK by most people. Sickening hypocrisy.

By the way, I don't drive home you silly individual.

People are entitled to voice their own opinions. Even those who ignore the salient points, crowbar a reference about the Germans and WW2 into a reply, and witter on about a perfectly normal human reaction!

I would suggest you have a read of Carl Von Clausewitz, at the very least you will have a better understanding about War, and perhaps it will take your mind off
the indignities of public transport......