Re: Scottish Referendum : Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:06 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

You vote out, and quite simply they should be exempt from all the things that Britain provides.

Britain meaning England then?

Seeing as Wales is not a country and Northern Ireland is not a part of Britain (Great or otherwise)

Re: Scottish Referendum : Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:18 pm  

Proper squeaky bum time for those of a Labour persuasion in Westminister - new poll show Yes as leading 51% 49% amongst those certain to vote.

All of a sudden the next general election is looking interesting - take out the 40 or so Scottish Labour seats and the Conservatives will probably be the largest party in Parliament. Not just for this election, but for many to come.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:39 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Exactly. Its this that I don't get - They want to be 'independent' but still want Britain to provide them with all the nice stuff, like a currency, or a well produced, professional TV provider, like the BBC.... By all means go it alone, good luck to them, but things like the BBC and the Pound are the very things that make being IN a union a benefit to them - You vote out, and quite simply they should be exempt from all the things that Britain provides.

If they want to take the BBC then they will be able to sign broadcast deals to watch those channels. But they'll also have a chance to say no thank you, we don't want to send our citizens to jail for not having a TV licence and don't want to support that.

Having the Scottish keep the pound will probably by in the Bank of England's interests. But the Bank of England haven't been allowed to make that decision because all the politicians are insisting they won't allow it. Funny that, but according to the law the Bank of England has authority over monetary policy so really it isn't even down to the political leaders, is it?

Re: Scottish Referendum : Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:32 am  

cod'ead wrote:

How do you work that one out?

Only twice since WW2 (1964, 1974) would Labour have failed to gain an overall majority.

Now compare that to the fact that in 1955 the tories held the majority of Scottish seats and now they are reduced to one.

Forgive me if I am wrong, because I am hungover and this is back of a fag packet maths (not that I smoke), but my understanding is that:

Parliament has 650 seats. Take away the 72 in Scotland and it has 578.

The Tories have 304 Parliamentary seats. Take away the one in Scotland, and even the one they are about to lose to UKIP, and they still have 302.

Labour has 257 seats. Take away their Scottish MPs, and they are down to 217.

Current opinion polls give Labour a majority of around 20-30 next year. Take away their Scottish seats, and we are into hung parliament territory, or even a small Tory majority. Also, I think there will be a swing towards the Tories as we approach the GE, when people are reminded what a cluster French Connection UK the last Labour government was and that much of this parliament has simply been spent fighting fires that were started by Labour.

And, if the Tories have any sense, the first thing they will do on a majority is sort out the electoral boundaries, which currently favour Labour. That will be worth another 2-3 percentage points come future general elections.

Either way, Labour will be out of the picture for a couple of elections, possibly much longer. And you may, perhaps, be surprised to learn I take no pleasure from it. We need a balanced democracy with strong opposition parties.

It would not surprise me if UKIP overtakes the Lib Dems as the 3rd party in the next few years. And they will take votes from both the Tories and Labour.

I honestly believe the biggest threat facing the UK at this very moment is not ISIS, Russia or lunatics preaching jihad above a kebab shop in Luton, but Scottish nationalists.

It is also interesting to note that a Scotsman running around waving the Saltire and saying nasty things about the English is acceptable. Yet people moaning about the EU and immigration are called xenophobic or even racist.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:03 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Britain meaning England then?

Seeing as Wales is not a country and Northern Ireland is not a part of Britain (Great or otherwise)

No, Britain as being part of a Union...... Salmond & co are basically behaving like a wife who requests a divorce from her husband and then asks the hubby to decorate and furnish her new house for her - The husband would quite rightly tell her to f*** off, the Union should do the same.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:04 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

No, Britain as being part of a Union...... Salmond & co are basically behaving like a wife who requests a divorce from her husband and then asks the hubby to decorate and furnish her new house for her - The husband would quite rightly tell her to f*** off, the Union should do the same.

You are forgetting the first rule of divorce - the person with the assets (and it is usually the man), gets taken to the cleaners.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:27 am  

The Video Ref wrote:

Current opinion polls give Labour a majority of around 20-30 next year. Take away their Scottish seats, and we are into hung parliament territory, or even a small Tory majority. Also, I think there will be a swing towards the Tories as we approach the GE, when people are reminded what a cluster French Connection UK the last Labour government was and that much of this parliament has simply been spent fighting fires that were started by Labour.

Do you seriously believe the electorate will fall for the "it's all Labour's fault" line again? Especially given the ideologically-driven austerity measures that have been introduced by this government. Any fool could see that the rich continue to be rewarded at the expense of the poor and vulnerable.

Once trhe sums have been done and the electorate see that Osborne has managed to borrow more in 5 years than Labour did in 13, they may think a little differently. Instead of employing Keynesian measures, Osborne reverted to the usual tory strategy of slash, burn and plunder. Cameron's poster will be paraded again, just to remind the electorate:



And will be seen for all the bollox and lies it really was

Re: Scottish Referendum : Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:47 am  

The Video Ref wrote:

You are forgetting the first rule of divorce - the person with the assets (and it is usually the man), gets taken to the cleaners.

wow, chauvinism in the extreme. I take it you have previous that made you bitter?

I hope Scotland remain as part of the Union, and I think they will.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:25 am  

Standee wrote:

wow, chauvinism in the extreme. I take it you have previous that made you bitter?

I hope Scotland remain as part of the Union, and I think they will.

How is it chauvinism when it is a fact?

As for previous...never married, no kids.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:34 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Do you seriously believe the electorate will fall for the "it's all Labour's fault" line again? Especially given the ideologically-driven austerity measures that have been introduced by this government. Any fool could see that the rich continue to be rewarded at the expense of the poor and vulnerable.

Once trhe sums have been done and the electorate see that Osborne has managed to borrow more in 5 years than Labour did in 13, they may think a little differently. Instead of employing Keynesian measures, Osborne reverted to the usual tory strategy of slash, burn and plunder. Cameron's poster will be paraded again, just to remind the electorate:



And will be seen for all the bollox and lies it really was

The Tories have completely turned the economy around after the utter shambles it was handed to them in. But don't let the facts get in the way of your extreme left wing hate rants.

I hope Scotland vote yes - no more Labour government for a while sounds good.