Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:27 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

...all of which is representative of the current situation in social housing where annual contracts, market rents and "emergency accommodation" are its main purpose, at what point did the sea change occur and who was it that decreed that the only houses "to keep" would be the ones to buy and not rent ?

It probably came about when people stopped treating the house they didn't own like, well, the house they didn't own. All the hold housing estates in the area are either no go zones or have been bulldozed. The crappy end of town had millions thrown at it, all the smackheads got lovely new front doors, sash windows and general building makeovers, less than 5 years later and it's returned to its original state.

Snobbishness, NIMBYism and downright racism have meant we don't want massive estates being built anymore. Take travellers, the ultimate in social housing, but if they set up camp anywhere near "your" house and there's uproar.

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:48 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

Bless. You're the rather special gift that keeps on giving. Bevan resigned in 1951, because the Labour Party (you've voted for them once or twice) decided to introduce charges for dentistry and eyecare.

Yes, how dare people call "prescription charges", "charges" it's not like people hand over their hard earned to get treatment...oh, wait...they do.

We don't actually allow you to vote do we? I only ask as I'm pretty sure you'll have problems with lightswitches.

Prescription charges were introduced in 1952 BY THE CHURCHILL (ie: TORY) GOVERNMENT

Later to be abolished by the Wilson government in 1965, although they were reintroduced by the same administration in 1968

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:34 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Prescription charges were introduced in 1952 BY THE CHURCHILL (ie: TORY) GOVERNMENT

Later to be abolished by the Wilson government in 1965, although they were reintroduced by the same administration in 1968

So Bevan resigned because the Tories started charging for dental and eyecare. Riiiiggghht.

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:26 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

So Bevan resigned because the Tories started charging for dental and eyecare. Riiiiggghht.

Bevan resigned for a number of reasons, one of which was a PROPOSAL to introduce conscription charges to pay for rearming. Still doesn't alter the fact that it was a tory administration that introduced prescription charges

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:27 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Bevan resigned for a number of reasons, one of which was a PROPOSAL to introduce conscription charges to pay for rearming. Still doesn't alter the fact that it was a tory administration that introduced prescription charges

Proposal? It was announced in the 1951 budget, dentures and glasses, no longer free. Gaitskell. Labour.

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:57 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

Proposal? It was announced in the 1951 budget, dentures and glasses, no longer free. Gaitskell. Labour.

No government is tied to proposed legislation from the previous administration

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:59 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

It probably came about when people stopped treating the house they didn't own like, well, the house they didn't own. All the hold housing estates in the area are either no go zones or have been bulldozed. The crappy end of town had millions thrown at it, all the smackheads got lovely new front doors, sash windows and general building makeovers, less than 5 years later and it's returned to its original state.

Snobbishness, NIMBYism and downright racism have meant we don't want massive estates being built anymore. Take travellers, the ultimate in social housing, but if they set up camp anywhere near "your" house and there's uproar.

Your view of British social history is incredibly warped, no doubt by your complete lack of anything approaching a social conscience.

In short, a classic tory

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:57 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

It probably came about when people stopped treating the house they didn't own like, well, the house they didn't own. All the hold housing estates in the area are either no go zones or have been bulldozed. The crappy end of town had millions thrown at it, all the smackheads got lovely new front doors, sash windows and general building makeovers, less than 5 years later and it's returned to its original state.

Snobbishness, NIMBYism and downright racism have meant we don't want massive estates being built anymore. Take travellers, the ultimate in social housing, but if they set up camp anywhere near "your" house and there's uproar.

So just to summarise,

Council estates are no go zones and full of smackheads who wreck properties.
Council house building stopped because of gypsies.


And yet tens, probably hundreds of thousands have bought their council houses on the same estates ?

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:37 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Your view of British social history is incredibly warped, no doubt by your complete lack of anything approaching a social conscience.

In short, a classic tory

Indeed, a classic Tory in the same mould as someone who voted to privatise the NHS.

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:40 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

So just to summarise,

Council estates are no go zones and full of smackheads who wreck properties.
Council house building stopped because of gypsies.


And yet tens, probably hundreds of thousands have bought their council houses on the same estates ?

Did I say all? Or are you being wilfully obtuse?