Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:28 pm  

At last a thread which isn't about whether there was a second gunman on the grass knoll and all that crap.

I'm firmly in the leave camp.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:43 pm  

Dally wrote:

Numerous sources, principally The Times and BBC but I read and listen widely.

Whereas I consider what is written and said (from such sources) then form my own opinion.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:28 pm  

shinymcshine wrote:

Whereas I consider what is written and said (from such sources) then form my own opinion.

So do I. But there is no question to opine on - you seemed to say work and benefits were mutually exclusive. The main thing that govt is concerned with is working family tax credits!!

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:49 am  

The obsession with this question is utterly ridiculous.

Are people so vain as to think a choice whose ramifications are as serious as the media would have us believe would be offered to YOU?



If staying or leaving were this important the decision would be taken out of your hands completely - see Obama's bailout of the banks in the wake of sub-prime (this despite losing two votes in the House of Representatives) or his signing up to TTIP.

Suffice to say that if I vote to leave Europe it won't be over the jurisdiction of the European Court, asylum seekers, strengthening Britain's borders or questionable economic data.

My complaint is largely to do with the EU being the Nazi superstate Hitler sought from the very beginning writ large by a living Nazi (Walter Hallstein) who funneled countless riches to his Nazi pals living in exile in South America (including Klaus Barbie, Josef Mengele, Adolf Eichmann, Otto Skorzeny, "Gestapo" Mueller and - likely - Martin Boorman) whilst for three decades they systematically brutalized that entire continent.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:13 am  

So far on Twitter I have seen not one positive reason to stay in from the in campaign - just some imaginary disasters of leaving. There are lots of positive reasons to leave though.

Some people, especially on the left, cite the "social model" as a reason to stay. That is plain daft because Germany can now see that the EU is inefficient and unsustainable in its present form from an economic perspective. The first thing to go will be workers rights / welfare. Furthermore, with mass immigration the seeds of a lurch to the Far Right have been well and truly sown. Two generations of Brits lost their lives fighting against German domination of Europe and this generation welcomes it. When that domination aligns with a shift to the far right the UK will be at the forefront of that alongside Germany, if we don't get out now. A frightening thought for a whole continent.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:44 am  

I have yet to make my mind up on whether to thought in or out.

Yes there are many things wrong with the EU, then on the other hand there are many good things that the EU have given us. It IMO this is the most important decision the people of this GREAT nation will have to make in many a year.

One thing I am sure is that if we vote to leave we will not have full control of our our borders. We have no way of stopping people jumping on a ferry from France to Ireland & then crossing the Irish/NI border as that is governed by a separate treaty.

Also the Scots will then have another vote on independence. I have many Scottish friends who voted No last time, but would vote Yes if we left the EU.

Also how would leaving the EU effect the structure of Superleague & the Catalans Dragons?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:21 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

At last a thread which isn't about whether there was a second gunman on the grass knoll and all that crap.

I'm firmly in the leave camp.

I suggest you alter your avatar then, because even Thatcher wanted to stay in.

Maybe you could change it to Farage?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:11 pm  

Just a thought; if the million or so Brits who live and work in Europe were deported back here how much would it cost in benefits etc to house all these unemployed homeless people. Similarly, how much would it cost to deport all the EU nationals who are over here?

In addition, why do the out campaign selectively only mention how much we pay to the EU and never how much we get back (approx. 60% of what we pay in)?

Personally I am for staying in because of employment rights, securing manufacturing jobs, human rights and security at home and internationally.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:03 pm  

dr_feelgood wrote:

Just a thought; if the million or so Brits who live and work in Europe were deported back here how much would it cost in benefits etc to house all these unemployed homeless people. Similarly, how much would it cost to deport all the EU nationals who are over here?

In addition, why do the out campaign selectively only mention how much we pay to the EU and never how much we get back (approx. 60% of what we pay in)?

Personally I am for staying in because of employment rights, securing manufacturing jobs, human rights and security at home and internationally.

It roughly costs for each person £1 a day. So with 4 in our household currently and only me earning, that's about £1,500 a year out if net income. Even if other parts of UK get 40 over cent back it's still expensive. What do I get? As far as I see a lot if regulations that make working as a self-employed person hardly worth the effort any more!

[DaveO]

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:08 pm  

Dally wrote:

It roughly costs for each person £1 a day. So with 4 in our household currently and only me earning, that's about £1,500 a year out if net income. Even if other parts of UK get 40 over cent back it's still expensive. What do I get? As far as I see a lot if regulations that make working as a self-employed person hardly worth the effort any more!

You seem to be of the quite frankly deluded opinion that if we leave the EU the cost you cite will vanish.

Do you honestly think Britain can negotiate a Free Trade agreement with the EU for access to the European Single Market and NOT pay to help fund institutions that run it and regulate it?

Do you honestly think the rules and regulations that apply to the European Single Market won't apply to us if we want to trade with them? Or that, just for us, the EU will relax the rule on the Free Movement of Labour?

If so I'd love to know why because it is quite clearly a nonsensical view to take.