Re: Donald Trump : Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:38 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Due process must be followed.

Really? Unless of course your name is Jeremy Corbyn and in which case you are a traitor for not condemning Russia. Why should due process be followed and international law be adhered to when its easier to just blame russia even though you have no evidence and you can claim "its probably russia".

Regards

King James

Re: Donald Trump : Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:47 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Due process must be followed.

point to a successful investigation and highly conclusive evidence.

The time for soft talk is over

Your hypocrisy is laughable. Well it would be if if you had a grasp of the potential severity of the situation.

A team of up to ten experts from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which polices the prohibition of chemical weapons, visited the Ministry of Defence's scientific research facility at Porton Down on 18 March. They'll try to work out how samples of the nerve agent used in the attack can be transported abroad, so they can be tested in independent labs overseas. It's thought the results could take at least two weeks.

I am touched the PM is showing more concern for a Russian traitor & a Russian citizen than she did for the families & friends of what at the time was thought to be around 100 killed in badly maintained block of flats. I doubt many of the poor buggers in Grenfell funded the Tory party or were vote winners.

Re: Donald Trump : Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:49 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Where did I say that they all were? I very specifically referred to a small cadre of gangsters who surround Putin - and made a clear distinction between them, and ordinary Russian people. I couldn't have been clearer about that.

Hang on, either London is 'awash' with dirty Russian money or it isn't? You talk about Putin's gang and Russian money in London. You do realise many Russians who live in London and have invested massive sums are far from popular in Moscow? Are they all corrupt? Some? Who exactly? You're going in circles.

Magnitsky is in place and investigations are underway. Perhaps we should just let the police do their job.

And as I said before, that's a mealy-mouthed Boris Johnson defence, which holds no water; if there was a genuine desire to be tough on dirty Russian money, the Tories would be hell-bent on removing any whiff of corruption - but they're not. And it goes deeper than that, since the money that comes here to be laundered and spent has created a small industry for property developers, fund managers and wealth management types, many of whom are natural Tory supporters and its most generous donors.

What are you talking about? Rules on donations are clear. Furthermore, each party appoints a legally liable treasurer to assess and judge on donations - do you think they're likely to accept dodgy donations? If any are found to have slipped the net, they will be returned.

Unless you automatically assume all Russian money is dirty of course?

Your party has actively opposed full Magnitsky powers though - which the US introduced in 2012; you will of course recall Hugh Powell entering no 10 with a list of responses to the invasion of Ukraine, specifically ruling out trade sanctions or denying access to London's financial system; I wonder why?

A Tory MP tabled the Magnitsky amendment, which was voted in unanimously. It has sufficient powers. More noise about nothing.

That being the case, why the rush to judgement? You're all over the place on this one - you tried (unsuccessfully) to label me as xenophobic a couple of days ago - and now you're displaying exactly that kind of behaviour yourself; remember, this is not about 'Russians' - this is about *some* Russians - primarily state actors and those close to them - and the best way to deal with them, surely, is to follow the due process of international protocols, provide proof that is beyond reasonable doubt, and then use all the powers we have that will hurt Putin and his people (i.e proper Magnitsky powers, instead of the Tory Magnitsky-Lite version) - I don't see what's difficult or controversial about that, and it makes much more sense, as it removes the ability for the Kremlin to spin this as further evidence of the West demonising Russia, which will galvanise support for Putin and further embolden him.

What are these 'international protocols' you keep banging on about? Bringing the OPCW in to investigate? Check. Done. Unless, of course, you actually listen to the twaddle coming out of Moscow, that is?

A lot of noise about nothing again. The UK authorities have carried out an initial investigation, which is ongoing. The OPCW is carrying out its own investigation. Russia will see the results of the OPCW report. They are not entitled to receive a sample from the UK - what would be the point, they would absolutely deny it was theirs anyway. Let them wait.

The last time we allowed parliament to drag us into a conflict based on less then complete information, things didn't turn out so well - so yes, I'm completely lock-step with Corbyn on this one; he was right the last time.

Ah yes, another glorious achievement of Mr Blair and New Labour.

You think this will lead to conflict? Don't be ridiculous.

Re: Donald Trump : Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:50 pm  

Lebron James wrote:

Really? Unless of course your name is Jeremy Corbyn and in which case you are a traitor for not condemning Russia. Why should due process be followed and international law be adhered to when its easier to just blame russia even though you have no evidence and you can claim "its probably russia".

Regards

King James

No evidence? Excuse me while I contain myself.

I'm sure the government have taken such strong steps on the basis of 'no evidence'. I'm sure the EU and the USA would be throwing their weight behind us on the basis of 'no evidence'. I'm sure the police, forensics teams and the world renowned chemical weapons experts at Porton Down have found 'no evidence'.

Stop the whole thing, Lebron James at RLFans wants to see the evidence.

Deary me, loony leftism at its absolute finest. Comrade Cob is that you?

Re: Donald Trump : Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:55 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Your hypocrisy is laughable. Well it would be if if you had a grasp of the potential severity of the situation.

A team of up to ten experts from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which polices the prohibition of chemical weapons, visited the Ministry of Defence's scientific research facility at Porton Down on 18 March. They'll try to work out how samples of the nerve agent used in the attack can be transported abroad, so they can be tested in independent labs overseas. It's thought the results could take at least two weeks.

Yes, well done. That is correct. Award yourself a lollipop.

I am touched the PM is showing more concern for a Russian traitor & a Russian citizen than she did for the families & friends of what at the time was thought to be around 100 killed in badly maintained block of flats. I doubt many of the poor buggers in Grenfell funded the Tory party or were vote winners.

Must be because they were predominantly dark-skinned immigrants on benefits, eh? Is that what you want to hear?

Re: Donald Trump : Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:58 pm  

Cronus wrote:

No evidence? Excuse me while I contain myself.

I'm sure the government have taken such strong steps on the basis of 'no evidence'. I'm sure the EU and the USA would be throwing their weight behind us on the basis of 'no evidence'. I'm sure the police, forensics teams and the world renowned chemical weapons experts at Porton Down have found 'no evidence'.

Stop the whole thing, Lebron James at RLFans wants to see the evidence.

Deary me, loony leftism at its absolute finest. Comrade Cob is that you?

"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, we have seen the evidence".

Regards

King James

Re: Donald Trump : Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:59 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Your hypocrisy is laughable. Well it would be if if you had a grasp of the potential severity of the situation.

A team of up to ten experts from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which polices the prohibition of chemical weapons, visited the Ministry of Defence's scientific research facility at Porton Down on 18 March. They'll try to work out how samples of the nerve agent used in the attack can be transported abroad, so they can be tested in independent labs overseas. It's thought the results could take at least two weeks.

I am touched the PM is showing more concern for a Russian traitor & a Russian citizen than she did for the families & friends of what at the time was thought to be around 100 killed in badly maintained block of flats. I doubt many of the poor buggers in Grenfell funded the Tory party or were vote winners.

Your guilabilty is also laughable, the pm is rightfully concerned that an attempted assassination has taken place by a foreign power on British soil. If you recall when litvinenko was killed the radioactive trail went all the way back to Moscow , still the Russians denied it. Grenfell was a disaster, but the way the Labour Party is portraying it ,you would think that Teresa may had set fire to the place by herself. The victims of Grenfell quite rightly are being looked after, many staying in 4 star hotels with pocket money at £300!per week. You should await the results of the Grenfell enquiry before judging anybody. It may well turn out to be a construction industry failure. For instance who specified the cladding. Or did the builder just please himself.
I note the snow flake guardian readers have already condemned the enquiry, because a white person is leading it.
I note your concern regarding Teresa may, did you also express concern when jezza claimed solidarity with the IRA .

Re: Donald Trump : Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:59 pm  

Lebron James wrote:

"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, we have seen the evidence".

Regards

Tony Blair

Re: Donald Trump : Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:01 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Your hypocrisy is laughable. Well it would be if if you had a grasp of the potential severity of the situation.

A team of up to ten experts from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which polices the prohibition of chemical weapons, visited the Ministry of Defence's scientific research facility at Porton Down on 18 March. They'll try to work out how samples of the nerve agent used in the attack can be transported abroad, so they can be tested in independent labs overseas. It's thought the results could take at least two weeks.

I am touched the PM is showing more concern for a Russian traitor & a Russian citizen than she did for the families & friends of what at the time was thought to be around 100 killed in badly maintained block of flats. I doubt many of the poor buggers in Grenfell funded the Tory party or were vote winners.

This is cronus you are talking about. Hes often hypocritical. It all depends on what hes read in the daily mail on that particular day

Regards

King james

Re: Donald Trump : Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:04 pm  

Cronus wrote:

:SUBMISSION:

Whats that got do with it? George Bush also threw his weight behind it. As you said in a post a few posts up, if the USA throw their weight behind something it must be true.

Regards

King James