Re: The BBC editing political clips ? : Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:51 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Oh I understand it, but it's only relevant if it supports your agenda. I think the audience laughing at Corbyn and Swinson is equally relevant; Corbyn for constantly switching stance until he's suddenly 'neutral', and Swinson for blatantly rejecting the 17.4m without a hint of shame.

But it really isn't that big of an issue. I want to hear what they say and see how they act, not hear what a few people in the audience think. You're putting your "big moment" on probably 4 or 5 people having a chuckle for about a second. You want to hear that laughter because it validates your views.

Still haven't answered the question; were the moments of laughter and scorn directed at Corbyn, Swinson, Sturgeon and Farage included in the "controversial" 1.00 news bulletin? 4th time of trying.

Did this not answer you sufficiently: "The other (many) moments of laughter from the debate on Friday, have not been edited out and replaced with applause when clip were shown for a second time."

It's all that your getting and I'm sorry that you missed the first clip

Re: The BBC editing political clips ? : Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:53 pm  

Did this not answer you sufficiently: "The other (many) moments of laughter from the debate on Friday, have not been edited out and replaced with applause when clip were shown for a second time."

It's all that your getting and I'm sorry that you missed the first clip

It loses something without the laughter but, you may not have spotted the difference

Re: The BBC editing political clips ? : Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:31 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Oh I understand it, but it's only relevant if it supports your agenda.

No - it's only relevant if it happened; and in this case, the clip they showed was deliberately misrepresented, because they showed Johnson's strong words, but edited out the context of a room full of people laughing in scorn. If they'd shown clips of the other leaders words leading up to laughter, but edited out the laughter, you might have the faintest trace of a point.

And this is the state broadcaster by the way, who also 'accidentally' used old footage of Johnson at the cenotaph, which conveniently airbrushed out his embarrassing gaffe and showed him in a more positive light; the same event btw that last year, saw Corbyn vilified for his choice of coat, gleefully replayed over and over again, by the same state broadcaster.

You can explain away this stuff all you like - and it may wash in your own echo chamber - but it's self-evidently and clearly wrong; positively Orwellian in fact:

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Re: The BBC editing political clips ? : Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:34 pm  

The big issues:
- what are your intentions for the Trident nuclear deterrent?
- are you looking to us out the EU, deal or no deal?
- what are your tax threshold intentions?
- what is your long-term welfare state strategy?
- how will you address the issue of homelessness?

The Left, "BUT...BUT...THEY EDITED THE LIVE VERSION OF LEADER'S QT AND SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T SEE ONE SECOND OF A FEW PEOPLE LAUGHING AND THAT WAS THE BIG MOMENT I WANTED EVERYONE TO SEEEEE"

That is exactly what you sound like.

Re: The BBC editing political clips ? : Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:46 pm  

I hope they don't edit Andrew Neil from tonight - Corbyn didn't actually answer one question - oh he did on the WASPI - a mix of government reserves and borrowing and then admitted the government reserves were a fraction of what would be required. He couldn't answer what % of the total income tax was paid by the top 1% and he wanted to suggest that removing the married tax allowance was some way of equalising society!! Less said about anti-Semitism the better

For the first time he looked out of his depth - a shocking performance.

Re: The BBC editing political clips ? : Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:53 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I hope they don't edit Andrew Neil from tonight - Corbyn didn't actually answer one question - oh he did on the WASPI - a mix of government reserves and borrowing and then admitted the government reserves were a fraction of what would be required. He couldn't answer what % of the total income tax was paid by the top 1% and he wanted to suggest that removing the married tax allowance was some way of equalising society!! Less said about anti-Semitism the better

For the first time he looked out of his depth - a shocking performance.

That was just astounding. Corbyn way out of his depth, evasive as ever, clearly rattled and utterly unconvincing. Eye-rolling & huffing throughout. If Prince Andrew was a car crash, that was an M6 pile-up into both carriageways.

He simply can't hide his loyalties. Wouldn't apologise for antisemitism, wouldn't give the go-ahead to kill an ISIS leader. We all know he's refused to condemn the IRA killings before. Won't answer questions, gets his tax sums wrong. Thinks £60 billion can be found for WASPI 'just because it needs doing'.

Neil always jumps in a lot but he does his best to cut off pointless soundbites and push hard for answers. He does it with everyone. That's why he's good at his job.

Yes, Corbyn eventually answered on WASPI - but by my count he was asked SEVENTEEN times before getting some form of wishy-washy answer.

Re: The BBC editing political clips ? : Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:29 pm  

Cronus wrote:

The big issues:
- what are your intentions for the Trident nuclear deterrent?
- are you looking to us out the EU, deal or no deal?
- what are your tax threshold intentions?
- what is your long-term welfare state strategy?
- how will you address the issue of homelessness?

The Left, "BUT...BUT...THEY EDITED THE LIVE VERSION OF LEADER'S QT AND SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T SEE ONE SECOND OF A FEW PEOPLE LAUGHING AND THAT WAS THE BIG MOMENT I WANTED EVERYONE TO SEEEEE"

That is exactly what you sound like.

Great post BUT, if you cant trust a word coming out of the Prime Ministers mouth, it's all irrelevant.
Johnson has lied at every opportunity, ranging form exaggeration to down right lies.

I know that YOU cant or are not prepared to see this but it doesn't change his "style". He is a political chancer hence his "switch" a year or so before the referendum from Pro European to Brexitier.

You can go for all of your sarcastic comments and "snowflake" "insults" but it doesn't change Johnson and people laughing on the question of trust, something which most people should have somewhere near the top of their list of attributes, for who they wish to vote for, IS fairly important.

It's no wonder he's bottled another debate and I hope that he is indeed "empty chaired"
The leader of the country "pulled" from debate to prevent any gaffes.

No mention of the time machine at the Cenotaph then

Re: The BBC editing political clips ? : Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:57 pm  

All irrelevant guys

Corbyn stops a hard right wing fascist Brexit.

End of.

Re: The BBC editing political clips ? : Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:11 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Great post BUT, if you cant trust a word coming out of the Prime Ministers mouth, it's all irrelevant.
Johnson has lied at every opportunity, ranging form exaggeration to down right lies.

I know that YOU cant or are not prepared to see this but it doesn't change his "style". He is a political chancer hence his "switch" a year or so before the referendum from Pro European to Brexitier.

You can go for all of your sarcastic comments and "snowflake" "insults" but it doesn't change Johnson and people laughing on the question of trust, something which most people should have somewhere near the top of their list of attributes, for who they wish to vote for, IS fairly important.

It's no wonder he's bottled another debate and I hope that he is indeed "empty chaired"
The leader of the country "pulled" from debate to prevent any gaffes.

Well, if Corbyn's performance tonight is any measure, he's well advised to avoid debates.

I'm absolutely aware of Johnson's character and past, and it's far from squeaky clean ( is anyone?) - but I'm prepared to give him a chance. He's committed to seeing Brexit through and - frankly - he's a million times better than the other truly miserable excuses for "leaders".

No mention of the time machine at the Cenotaph then

Nope because I couldn't care less. Genuinely don't give a sht. Honestly, right now I care more whether I can be arsed having another drink before bed. Just as I don't actually give a toss about the "conspiracy" of Johnson's "missing" second of laughter, as I've said before several times. It's all utterly irrelevant. You love it simply because it validates your views and later on you can cry to anyone who will put up with you that it's all a conspiracy.

Re: The BBC editing political clips ? : Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:17 am  

Don’t get too carried away because Johnson turn is still to come and I expect the interviewer will have a lot of ammunition to upset him. You can tell when he is lying his mouth is open.