Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:13 pm  

Johnson was woeful on Marr today and it's east to see why he is running scared of Andrew Neil, indeed, he pretty much said that Marr was the only Andrew that would be interviewing him for the BBC.
From blaming Labour for the release of the London Bridge attacker and for the 10 years of austerity, this guy is a buffoon of the highest order.
All that he wanted to do was repeat his rehearsed soundbites and absolve himself and the Tories of anything that has taken place over the past 10 years.

It's a crying shame that there is so little choice in the election but, anyone but Johnson, PLEASE

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:58 pm  

He can’t even lie convincingly a bit like his mentor Trump. I am beginning to doubt he was in the government for the last nine years, I presume it was a doppelgänger.
In the last week articles have been found where he has criticised single mothers and the working class let alone Muslims but these apparently have been taken out of context despite the full articles being available to disprove it.
We now know that his tweets this morning justifying that it was the fault of others that the terrorist was out were in fact copied and changed from an account which actually tasted the reverse. When you think he cannot go lower he does.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:32 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote: taken out of context This is the new line of denial in politics. Just say it was taken out of context and hopefully nobody will notice you're trying to gloss over a clanger. Unfortunately, plenty don't notice, and they just parrot the same 'taken out of context' line in a desperate/stupid attempt to defend the indefensible. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 3e6f8059ed

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote: taken out of context This is the new line of denial in politics. Just say it was taken out of context and hopefully nobody will notice you're trying to gloss over a clanger. Unfortunately, plenty don't notice, and they just parrot the same 'taken out of context' line in a desperate/stupid attempt to defend the indefensible. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 3e6f8059ed

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Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:06 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

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All that he wanted to do was repeat his rehearsed soundbites and absolve himself and the Tories of anything that has taken place over the past 10 years.

It is a rare and strange example of a governing party running against its own record.

So we have New Old Labour vs... Blue UKIP?

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:25 pm  

You wouldn’t consider a Blair government to be leftist. I think we will see more lies the nearer we get to Election Day especially if he thinks he won’t get a majority.
I expect the right wing press to also get more desperate with wild stories based on little or no evidence much like Johnson’s MI5 statement today.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:11 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

You wouldn’t consider a Blair government to be leftist. I think we will see more lies the nearer we get to Election Day especially if he thinks he won’t get a majority.
I expect the right wing press to also get more desperate with wild stories based on little or no evidence much like Johnson’s MI5 statement today.

In 2 weeks, Diane Abbott could be Home Secretary, in charge of immigration & passports, drugs policy, crime, the fire service, counter-terrorism and the police service. The woman who, incidentally, said of the IRA cause, "every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us".

In 1989 she supported an early day motion calling for "the abolition of conspiratorial groups like MI5 and Special Branch which are not accountable to the British people".

In 2015 the Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory website issued a statement of demands including "disband MI5". John McDonnell is a signatory to their cause.

So there is anti-MI5 form at the very top of Labour. Of course they've both changed their minds since then and McDonnell signed it "in error".

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:30 pm  

Ah the politics of fear, but who is currently trying to forget the ten years he was in the government. Why if he thought early release was such a bad idea did he not include it in the Conservatives manifesto or do you think he is just trying to take advantage of the current bad situation despite the father asking for it not to become an excuse for draconian action.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:54 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Ah the politics of fear, but who is currently trying to forget the ten years he was in the government. Why if he thought early release was such a bad idea did he not include it in the Conservatives manifesto or do you think he is just trying to take advantage of the current bad situation despite the father asking for it not to become an excuse for draconian action.

Politics of fear? Indisputable facts reflecting the genuine views of Labour leadership. I've said it many times, you're seeing 'lite' Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott while they're in positions of power to make them more palatable to the general public. If they ever achieved a decent majority their real views would soon be inflicted on us all.

Anyway, early release was already changed in 2012 from Labour's Extended Sentence law which granted and automatic, no-parole review release after half the term, to consideration for release by the parole board after two thirds of term. I'm not sure how enforcing the sentences of convicted criminals could be considered 'draconian'. I would say the current position is rather lenient, if anything.

The responsibility for Khan's release seems to lie with both the Labour-introduced law, and the conclusions and outcome of the appeal, headed by Justice Leveson. However - I don't personally see 'blame' lying anywhere, it was just a sorry conspiracy of events. Although I never agreed with it, I can see why Labour introduced the change at the time, though with the benefit of hindsight it was a mistake.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:07 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Johnson was woeful on Marr today and it's east to see why he is running scared of Andrew Neil, indeed, he pretty much said that Marr was the only Andrew that would be interviewing him for the BBC.
From blaming Labour for the release of the London Bridge attacker and for the 10 years of austerity, this guy is a buffoon of the highest order.
All that he wanted to do was repeat his rehearsed soundbites and absolve himself and the Tories of anything that has taken place over the past 10 years.

It's a crying shame that there is so little choice in the election but, anyone but Johnson, PLEASE

I'd sooner have a bloke who's shagged around a bit, told a few white lies in the past and made a few un-PC gaffes, than a man who - for his entire adult life - has supported terrorist groups, sided against the UK and the West time after time, and who consorted with Soviets during the cold war. A man who has appointed his ex, the anti-West racist Abbott, and his close friend, the Marxist ideologue McDonnell to the front Labour bench.

Let's not forget, Jeremy Corbyn:
- Invited IRA members to the Houses of Parliament weeks after the Brighton bombing.
- Protested against the trial of one of the (guilty) IRA Brighton bombers.
- Fails - time after time - to apologise for the rampant antisemitism in Labour.
- Will NEVER condemn terrorism without drawing some moral equivalence with a Western action - he couldn't even condemn feckin ISIS without referencing the British Army during the Mau Mau uprising.
- Lied about meeting with the IRA.
- Wants a united Ireland.
- Laid a wreath for the Munich terrorists.
- Promotes Marxist politics of envy. Remember, according to Marx, Socialism leads to Communism.

As usual, the left ignore the inconvenient truth. If those clowns ever get within farting distance of No.10, we're all in trouble.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:24 am  

We will have to start fact checking you like they have to with Johnson. I would also remind you that his ex “friend” who he visited at night , took on trade trips and received over £100,000 in public money. A few PC gaffes are you for real he called out single mothers and the working class in the most derogatory terms.
The man is a buffoon who would throw anyone under a bus for his own advantage. He gets more like Trump everyday that passes and the fact checking would make him so proud of his UK student.
Which party receives money from the Russians and is currently blocking a report on their meddling in the UK elections.