Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:57 am  

In all honesty I would even consider it as a 'f*ck you', though not if Yaxley-Lennon was involved.

Is he too moderate for you?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:50 am  

GUBRATS wrote:

We are now seeing plenty of remain ' experts ' now suggesting that ' we ' would now vote that way because we now understand more about what it all means

Whereas in truth it was never going to be an easy process , the EU have to make it as difficult as possible to put others off doing the same ( helped ATM by the ex PM Mr Blair )

Now just because something isn't easy doesn't mean it isn't worth doing

If we were to now not leave due to another very tight referendum ( which I believe it would be ) faith in the democratic process in the UK will be at an all time low with turnouts in future elections dramatically reduced IMO

What if it's well beyond the capability of the people charged with making it happen without it ending in disaster?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:58 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

If the remain experts understood leave voters so well their wouldn’t have been a Brexit vote in the first place let alone them thinking they’d win. Why should we listen to remainers now who claim they know how the next vote would go given their previous failure?

What, Tories misjudging their ability to count and taking the electorate for granted ?
That would never happen....................................

A referendum to prevent a split in the Tory party, causing a split in the Tory party

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:11 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

What, Tories misjudging their ability to count and taking the electorate for granted ?
That would never happen....................................

A referendum to prevent a split in the Tory party, causing a split in the Tory party

Thinking more of the internet political experts like yourself who like to claim to that so many leave voters would vote differently with nothing concrete to back that up.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:24 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Thinking more of the internet political experts like yourself who like to claim to that so many leave voters would vote differently with nothing concrete to back that up.

Your finger isn't pointing in quite the right direction.

There is no secret that I voted remain and IF there was a second referendum, I would vote the same way.
However, I dont and never have advocated a second referendum, it will merely pro-long the agony.

Therefore, no concrete required for me, at all.

FWIW, I believe a second vote may well see a remain result. However, the margin of "victory" would still be extremely tight, almost forcing a "best of three", which would be utterly ridiculous.

Just for balance, as you appear to be in the "leave" camp, is Mry May's deal acceptable to you and if not, what would you like or expect to happen when she is once again laughed out of Parliament.
There are only limited times that she can goto Brussels, pretending to "sort things out" which, is nothing more than a delaying tactic.

Personally, I believe that "we" will have to beg the EU for more time, which they will probably be happy with as it will increase our divorce bill.

All interesting stuff though as both the EU and the UK seem to acknowledge that no deal is bad for both sides.

It's a rght cock up bt, at least I didnt vote for it, did you

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:28 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Your finger isn't pointing in quite the right direction.

There is no secret that I voted remain and IF there was a second referendum, I would vote the same way.
However, I dont and never have advocated a second referendum, it will merely pro-long the agony.

Therefore, no concrete required for me, at all.

FWIW, I believe a second vote may well see a remain result. However, the margin of "victory" would still be extremely tight, almost forcing a "best of three", which would be utterly ridiculous.

Just for balance, as you appear to be in the "leave" camp, is Mry May's deal acceptable to you and if not, what would you like or expect to happen when she is once again laughed out of Parliament.
There are only limited times that she can goto Brussels, pretending to "sort things out" which, is nothing more than a delaying tactic.

Personally, I believe that "we" will have to beg the EU for more time, which they will probably be happy with as it will increase our divorce bill.

All interesting stuff though as both the EU and the UK seem to acknowledge that no deal is bad for both sides.

It's a rght cock up bt, at least I didnt vote for it, did you

Actually voted remain but was close to 50/50 on which way to vote so happy to except it unlike so many of the cry baby remainers trying to make out that Armageddon will happen if we leave.

The biggest problem isn’t how we voted, it’s how many are still fighting it in the hope of changing it.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:27 pm  

I voted leave, but given the chance again, I would vote remain. This whole Brexit process has turned us into a global laughing stock, and we've ended up with a deal that could well be the only deal that's worse than a no deal Brexit.
The EU knew that ending free movement was the primary motivation for most leave voters to vote leave, meaning we'd never accept a Norway style deal. This deal essentially means we continue to subsidise the EU until the transition period is over, we have no voting power within the EU, we can't negotiate a trade deal with any none EU country until the transition period is over, and that EU can still access our waters.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:10 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Actually voted remain but was close to 50/50 on which way to vote so happy to except it unlike so many of the cry baby remainers trying to make out that Armageddon will happen if we leave.

The biggest problem isn’t how we voted, it’s how many are still fighting it in the hope of changing it.

Again, we should always be happy to fight for a better future and not roll over too easily.

Just because Farage and his cronies came up with the tag "remoaners" doesnt mean accepting a sh*t future but, with May playing her current game of winding down the clock, it's all going to get interesting and as NOBODY is getting what they voted for, it's absolutely right to question HER ideology.

Brexit is Mays vision of the future, substantially different from that of Farage & Boris and worse than what we have.


As long as you're happy though

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:29 pm  

I voted remain because A. I’m not thick and I understand the implications of leaving and B. I’m not xenophobic, but democracy is democracy and we have to leave now no matter what

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:20 pm  

So the most interesting thing Corbyn has said since last Christmas is to call the PM a 'stupid woman' in Parliament.

And then lie about it to the House. Aren't there serious repercussions for that?

Followed by a load of excuses from that biased clown Bercow.

Hilarious to watch triggered Corbynites forgetting there's a 'p' at the start of the word 'people'. Apparently he can say that without his lips touching. He'd make a great ventriloquist.

He should use those talents to make Dianne Abbott say something intelligent.