Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri May 01, 2020 11:25 pm  

Mash Butty wrote:

So what do we all do for gloves and sanitizers when all of the working people in the world have to share toilets, taps, kettles, fridges doors, cupboard doors, microwave doors, door handles, light switches, stair rails, pubs/restaurant chairs, tables, doctors/dentists/hairdressers waiting rooms and treatment chairs, public transport chairs, handles, buzzers, exchange money to the above. That's gloves and sanitizers for x millions of people for five/six days a week for 12-18 months? Nobody wears one pair of gloves for 8-10 hours a day.

And here we have a prime example: someone who just doesn't have a clue.

Take this in: you do not need gloves, and you do not need sanitisers.

Gloves: are meant for medical/care settings, where (like some other PPE) they are discarded after each individual patient contact to prevent cross infection. If you wear them throughout the day at work or your visit to the supermarket, all you do is accumulate nasties on your gloves and spread them to everything else you touch. You are doing lots of damage and absolutely zero good to anyone, including yourself. Just wash your hands regularly in soap and don't touch your face.

Sanitisers: can kills viruses, but only if they are over 60% alcohol - ideally over 80%. Common soap is generally better at killing viruses. That's why the rush on sanitisers at the start of this was ridiculous, and why the 20 second hand-washing advice was issued - the advice you all mocked, yer know, cos y'all know better.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri May 01, 2020 11:27 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

You are a godsend to Johnson because if they said jump your first response would be how high. What do you know about PPE and social care are you involved in the supplying of one or the running of the other. If not I would suggest you restrict yourself to things you know about and that is gullibility.

Prove me wrong. Go on.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri May 01, 2020 11:37 pm  

Cronus wrote:

And here we have a prime example: someone who just doesn't have a clue.

Take this in: you do not need gloves, and you do not need sanitisers.

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That has made my day

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri May 01, 2020 11:43 pm  

Mash Butty wrote:

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That has made my day

Like I said to the other moron - prove me wrong. Go on.

Hint: you can't.

Cronus wrote:

Gloves: are meant for medical/care settings, where (like some other PPE) they are discarded after each individual patient contact to prevent cross infection. If you wear them throughout the day at work or your visit to the supermarket, all you do is accumulate nasties on your gloves and spread them to everything else you touch. You are doing lots of damage and absolutely zero good to anyone, including yourself. Just wash your hands regularly in soap and don't touch your face.

Sanitisers: can kills viruses, but only if they are over 60% alcohol - ideally over 80%. Common soap is generally better at killing viruses. That's why the rush on sanitisers at the start of this was ridiculous, and why the 20 second hand-washing advice was issued - the advice you all mocked, yer know, cos y'all know better.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat May 02, 2020 1:09 am  

I presume you took the name from Greek mythology because you usually post from his Greek predecessor.
I bet you still believe that the government is going to build 40 new hospitals and employ 50,000 new nurses.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat May 02, 2020 1:23 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I presume you took the name from Greek mythology because you usually post from his Greek predecessor.
I bet you still believe that the government is going to build 40 new hospitals and employ 50,000 new nurses.

Tell me again why you think gloves and sanitiser are so important, while you ignore the facts I've placed before you.

I'm still waiting.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat May 02, 2020 5:39 am  

Cronus wrote:

Absolute rubbish.

Nothing to do with following WHO and scientific recommendations, of course? Oh no. Nothing to do with that.

Look, it's always seemed logical to me that although a crappy, ill-fitting mask will do next to nothing to prevent you catching an airborne virus, it could help prevent an infected person spread it by catching some of the infected droplets in their breath/sneezes/coughs. However, many scientific studies and WHO advice on this have been very clear from day one: unless FFP2/3 and professionally fitted, masks are mostly useless and therefore not required outside a medical/care environment. And that's before we even consider the lack of eye protection...

But - fast forward to the last few weeks and WHO advice has been gradually shifting based on a couple of studies in Hong Kong and other places, and if we're hoping to relax the lockdown soon it makes sense we take additional measures alongside social distancing, hand-washing etc.

And although I don't believe it was a factor bearing in mind face mask recommendations were already in place, so what if NHS supplies were prioritised? Do you not accept they are far more important in a medical or care setting? Or that if the government had recommended face masks, 67 million Brits all rushing out to buy all the masks they can find might have had pretty severely detrimental affect on supplies - which were already stretched beyond belief? Or in your brain is everything simply "Bojo and da Tories dun bad".

At the same time, you talk about ineptitude and complain incessantly of how the government/NHS struggled to maintain levels of PPE at times - well, so did you. Are you therefore inept? Shall we all slag you off in similar fashion? Multiply your struggles a million-fold and perhaps you'll get some idea of the challenges faced by NHS procurement, governments worldwide and probably 99% of general hospitals, doctor's surgeries and care homes on the planet. At least when you get hold of PPE you don't have 58,000 locations all demanding it. I think what I'm trying to say is, wind yer neck in: you, the NHS and the government are all doing the very best you can, and doing a grand job, in hugely challenging conditions.

Not that ignoramuses such as WIZEB would understand there's a lockdown in place. The law and doing his bit to help prevent the spread of the pandemic doesn't apply to him apparently.

Very enjoyable though, been back for 2nd's.
Poor old Mrs Flashman.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat May 02, 2020 6:14 am  

WIZEB wrote:

Very enjoyable though, been back for 2nd's.
Poor old Mrs Flashman.

You have done well there - you have managed to put 7 words together - that's a first for you

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat May 02, 2020 6:18 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You have done well there - you have managed to put 7 words together - that's a first for you

Thanks.
It must have been my private scholarship you champion so well that swayed it for me.
Then again, I could just regurgitate poop from Con-HQ and their social news feeds, like your compadre, to give me an elevated sense of importance, but hey, I'd come across as dull as him.

[Durham Giant]

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sat May 02, 2020 9:37 am  

Cronus wrote:

Tell me again why you think gloves and sanitiser are so important, while you ignore the facts I've placed before you.

I'm still waiting.

Well let’s see.
Let’s play a game called pick the job and will have a look at the feasibility of dong that job without gloves or hand sanitiser.

Starters for 10

Factory worker picking some tools up. Not sure who else might have picked them up. Either has his gloves on or alternatively has to use hand sanitiser because walking off the production line every 20 minutes to walk to the nearest toilet / sink is not feasible.

All of The People who are currently wearing gloves at work will be joined by millions more who will also need gloves Or hand sanitiser.

Interesting that the government is directing bus stations and transport hubs to provide hand sanitiser for passengers.

They obviously ignored cronus’ advice that we don’t need hand sanitiser.

Seems like hand sanitiser has become Cronus’ Marie Antoinette let them eat cake moment.

But of course you know this .

What you are actually doing is trying to justify going back to the herd immunity arguement as if you don’t have protective equipment than it is good if people catch it .

Problem is that no one knows how long immunity lasts or the impact of catching it again.

But then again we do not know that it affects poor people and BAME groups more.

Maybe that is Cronus’ motivation.