Re: Workfare judged illegal : Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:14 pm  

cod'ead wrote: If you're not currently watching C4 Dispatches, make sure you watch tonight's episode on 4oD Absolutely brilliant! Well done to Dispatches for showing the whole of Britain what is going to happen to us when this governemnt replaces DLA with PIP and how strict the critera is. I was actually wondering if the usual Tory supporters on here were watching and would like to comment, especially as it mentioned everything that I have over the last few months on Sin Bin. It put todays propaganda DLA claimants articles in The Sun and The Mail to shame. When (and I'm saying when, not if) my car is taken off me I will be virtually housebound as I can't use public transport nor will I be able to afford taxis without my DLA. In the last few weeks I've had to be at my GPs every other day, had to pick up presctiptions and had hospital appointments, all using my car. Take that away and I will not only lose my independance, but sanity too.

cod'ead wrote: If you're not currently watching C4 Dispatches, make sure you watch tonight's episode on 4oD Absolutely brilliant! Well done to Dispatches for showing the whole of Britain what is going to happen to us when this governemnt replaces DLA with PIP and how strict the critera is. I was actually wondering if the usual Tory supporters on here were watching and would like to comment, especially as it mentioned everything that I have over the last few months on Sin Bin. It put todays propaganda DLA claimants articles in The Sun and The Mail to shame. When (and I'm saying when, not if) my car is taken off me I will be virtually housebound as I can't use public transport nor will I be able to afford taxis without my DLA. In the last few weeks I've had to be at my GPs every other day, had to pick up presctiptions and had hospital appointments, all using my car. Take that away and I will not only lose my independance, but sanity too.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:25 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

Absolutely brilliant! Well done to Dispatches for showing the whole of Britain what is going to happen to us when this governemnt replaces DLA with PIP and how strict the critera is. I was actually wondering if the usual Tory supporters on here were watching and would like to comment, especially as it mentioned everything that I have over the last few months on Sin Bin. It put todays propaganda DLA claimants articles in The Sun and The Mail to shame.

When (and I'm saying when, not if) my car is taken off me I will be virtually housebound as I can't use public transport nor will I be able to afford taxis without my DLA. In the last few weeks I've had to be at my GPs every other day, had to pick up presctiptions and had hospital appointments, all using my car. Take that away and I will not only lose my independance, but sanity too.

I haven't seen the dispatches but I am dead against the cuts that will affect the more vulnerable in our society but a brand new car every three years seems a touch extravagant. They should definitely continue with the motability but on a slightly more realistic basis IMO.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:35 pm  

One unwarranted by-product of the backlash against the Workfare scheme and the public campaigning by pressure groups against the corporates who are still using it as free labour (and there are lots of them) appeared on facebook tonight.

The Sue Ryder Trust is to withdraw from its participation in Workfare, which is a damn shame really because a lot of its positions in hospices and its shops are voluntary positions anyway, they are withdrawing thei rparticipation in Workfare because they are afraid that the negative publicity attached to the companies using it will affect their own long-running voluntary workers training schemes, the great shame being that if an unemployed person now wants to volunteer to work some hours for Sue Ryder now they will have to declare them to their Job Centre, and could likely lose their benefits.

Its a mad world.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:07 pm  

JerryChicken wrote: One unwarranted by-product of the backlash against the Workfare scheme and the public campaigning by pressure groups against the corporates who are still using it as free labour (and there are lots of them) appeared on facebook tonight. The Sue Ryder Trust is to withdraw from its participation in Workfare, which is a damn shame really because a lot of its positions in hospices and its shops are voluntary positions anyway, they are withdrawing thei rparticipation in Workfare because they are afraid that the negative publicity attached to the companies using it will affect their own long-running voluntary workers training schemes, the great shame being that if an unemployed person now wants to volunteer to work some hours for Sue Ryder now they will have to declare them to their Job Centre, and could likely lose their benefits. Its a mad world. Please don't believe that Sue Ryder are being altruistic in this matter. They may have bigger fish to fry

JerryChicken wrote: One unwarranted by-product of the backlash against the Workfare scheme and the public campaigning by pressure groups against the corporates who are still using it as free labour (and there are lots of them) appeared on facebook tonight. The Sue Ryder Trust is to withdraw from its participation in Workfare, which is a damn shame really because a lot of its positions in hospices and its shops are voluntary positions anyway, they are withdrawing thei rparticipation in Workfare because they are afraid that the negative publicity attached to the companies using it will affect their own long-running voluntary workers training schemes, the great shame being that if an unemployed person now wants to volunteer to work some hours for Sue Ryder now they will have to declare them to their Job Centre, and could likely lose their benefits. Its a mad world. Please don't believe that Sue Ryder are being altruistic in this matter. They may have bigger fish to fry

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:37 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

One unwarranted by-product of the backlash against the Workfare scheme and the public campaigning by pressure groups against the corporates who are still using it as free labour (and there are lots of them) appeared on facebook tonight.

The Sue Ryder Trust is to withdraw from its participation in Workfare, which is a damn shame really because a lot of its positions in hospices and its shops are voluntary positions anyway, they are withdrawing thei rparticipation in Workfare because they are afraid that the negative publicity attached to the companies using it will affect their own long-running voluntary workers training schemes, the great shame being that if an unemployed person now wants to volunteer to work some hours for Sue Ryder now they will have to declare them to their Job Centre, and could likely lose their benefits.

Its a mad world.

They are supposed to declare it to their job centre but they shouldn't lose any benefits from it, the Job Centres generally encourage volunteer work.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:44 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No one is being asked to work for nothing - those on the work programme are still drawing JSA

Yes they are you moron
Legally JSA cannot be classed as a wage as it isn't enough for the hours they are working.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:20 am  

TrinityIHC wrote:

I haven't seen the dispatches but I am dead against the cuts that will affect the more vulnerable in our society but a brand new car every three years seems a touch extravagant. They should definitely continue with the motability but on a slightly more realistic basis IMO.

We get a new car every 3 years because its after this when cars start to deprectiate and Motobility can get the best price for them, which in turn keeps the charity running, so nothing to do with being "extravagant", sorry to burst your bubble.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:36 am  

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

Yes they are you moron
Legally JSA cannot be classed as a wage as it isn't enough for the hours they are working.

Where did I say it was a wage?

All I said was that those on the workfare are still drawing the JSA and the notion that they are working for nothing is a fallacy.

I personally think they should get the minimum wage for participation - I have also said that on this thread - but then what is the incentive to the employer?

Suggest you learn to read more carefully before you start using emotive words like 'Moron' you just look more stupid than normal.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:39 am  

Hull White Star wrote:

We get a new car every 3 years because its after this when cars start to deprectiate and Motobility can get the best price for them, which in turn keeps the charity running, so nothing to do with being "extravagant", sorry to burst your bubble.

Really? I was under the impression that cars depreciated in value by the greatest amount when they left the dealership (excluding crashes obviously)

Happy to be corrected though if this isn't the case.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:46 am  

TrinityIHC wrote:

Really? I was under the impression that cars depreciated in value by the greatest amount when they left the dealership (excluding crashes obviously)

Happy to be corrected though if this isn't the case.

Are you not aware the car is leased and still under manufactureres warranty for 3 years? After that time the car deprectiates, comes out of warranty and would cost the charity a lot of money. Another reason we get an "extravagance".