Re: Bedroom Tax - A Solution ? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:16 pm  

It almost classes as a retort, almost.

Re: Bedroom Tax - A Solution ? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:36 pm  

This is as good a place to put this... Football supporter politics, the politics of party and blind allegiance to one party colour irrespective of policy or daft or thick prats in charge... Speaking of which, Boris Johnson wrote some utter shiote in his Telegraph column today, its here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10327126/At-last-we-see-Ed-in-his-true-colours-waving-the-red-flag.html and in doing so will have pleased the football supporter style party political followers of his particular flag and scarf colour. Fact is, Boris was probably just nodding off to sleep on Sunday evening when suddenly, almost lost to sleep he sat bolt upright and cried out "Fook I haven't written my Telegraph bollax this week yet" and so dashing to the word processor he let rip with some completely senseless football style chanting about "the other side", delving the depths of out of date stereotype and hyperbole, standing on his seat at Wembley stadium leading the chant for his end of the stadium, "Call them Socialists" he chants as if none of us know what a socialist is but must immediately assume its something bad because Boris is using it as an insult. Fact of the matter is that this current Labour Party is no closer to Socialism than, say, John Major was, or William Hague in his leadership days, or FFS David Cameron was, until he got elected and threw off the sheeps clothing to reveal his vindictive side - does anyone really believe that todays Labour Party deserves the title of "socialists" even when used as an insult ? Really ? As a thing of bollax his column should at least distract attention away from this weeks media criticism of His David (whatever this weeks criticism is going to be, has he left official papers or a child or two lying around unattended recently?), but it fails even in that and just sits there on the page, looking like something you wouldn't want to stand in if it were on the pavement, and smelling like it too. Football supporter politics at its poorest, and from the Mayor of London too.

This is as good a place to put this... Football supporter politics, the politics of party and blind allegiance to one party colour irrespective of policy or daft or thick prats in charge... Speaking of which, Boris Johnson wrote some utter shiote in his Telegraph column today, its here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10327126/At-last-we-see-Ed-in-his-true-colours-waving-the-red-flag.html and in doing so will have pleased the football supporter style party political followers of his particular flag and scarf colour. Fact is, Boris was probably just nodding off to sleep on Sunday evening when suddenly, almost lost to sleep he sat bolt upright and cried out "Fook I haven't written my Telegraph bollax this week yet" and so dashing to the word processor he let rip with some completely senseless football style chanting about "the other side", delving the depths of out of date stereotype and hyperbole, standing on his seat at Wembley stadium leading the chant for his end of the stadium, "Call them Socialists" he chants as if none of us know what a socialist is but must immediately assume its something bad because Boris is using it as an insult. Fact of the matter is that this current Labour Party is no closer to Socialism than, say, John Major was, or William Hague in his leadership days, or FFS David Cameron was, until he got elected and threw off the sheeps clothing to reveal his vindictive side - does anyone really believe that todays Labour Party deserves the title of "socialists" even when used as an insult ? Really ? As a thing of bollax his column should at least distract attention away from this weeks media criticism of His David (whatever this weeks criticism is going to be, has he left official papers or a child or two lying around unattended recently?), but it fails even in that and just sits there on the page, looking like something you wouldn't want to stand in if it were on the pavement, and smelling like it too. Football supporter politics at its poorest, and from the Mayor of London too.

Re: Bedroom Tax - A Solution ? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:44 pm  

JerryChicken wrote: This is as good a place to put this... Football supporter politics, the politics of party and blind allegiance to one party colour irrespective of policy or daft or thick prats in charge... Speaking of which, Boris Johnson wrote some utter shiote in his Telegraph column today, its here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10327126/At-last-we-see-Ed-in-his-true-colours-waving-the-red-flag.html and in doing so will have pleased the football supporter style party political followers of his particular flag and scarf colour. Fact is, Boris was probably just nodding off to sleep on Sunday evening when suddenly, almost lost to sleep he sat bolt upright and cried out "Fook I haven't written my Telegraph bollax this week yet" and so dashing to the word processor he let rip with some completely senseless football style chanting about "the other side", delving the depths of out of date stereotype and hyperbole, standing on his seat at Wembley stadium leading the chant for his end of the stadium, "Call them Socialists" he chants as if none of us know what a socialist is but must immediately assume its something bad because Boris is using it as an insult. Fact of the matter is that this current Labour Party is no closer to Socialism than, say, John Major was, or William Hague in his leadership days, or FFS David Cameron was, until he got elected and threw off the sheeps clothing to reveal his vindictive side - does anyone really believe that todays Labour Party deserves the title of "socialists" even when used as an insult ? Really ? As a thing of bollax his column should at least distract attention away from this weeks media criticism of His David (whatever this weeks criticism is going to be, has he left official papers or a child or two lying around unattended recently?), but it fails even in that and just sits there on the page, looking like something you wouldn't want to stand in if it were on the pavement, and smelling like it too. Football supporter politics at its poorest, and from the Mayor of London too. Not this silly sound bite again. According to you anyone who passes a different opinion to you is either engaging in 'football supporter politics' or propaganda. Jeez give it a rest.

JerryChicken wrote: This is as good a place to put this... Football supporter politics, the politics of party and blind allegiance to one party colour irrespective of policy or daft or thick prats in charge... Speaking of which, Boris Johnson wrote some utter shiote in his Telegraph column today, its here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10327126/At-last-we-see-Ed-in-his-true-colours-waving-the-red-flag.html and in doing so will have pleased the football supporter style party political followers of his particular flag and scarf colour. Fact is, Boris was probably just nodding off to sleep on Sunday evening when suddenly, almost lost to sleep he sat bolt upright and cried out "Fook I haven't written my Telegraph bollax this week yet" and so dashing to the word processor he let rip with some completely senseless football style chanting about "the other side", delving the depths of out of date stereotype and hyperbole, standing on his seat at Wembley stadium leading the chant for his end of the stadium, "Call them Socialists" he chants as if none of us know what a socialist is but must immediately assume its something bad because Boris is using it as an insult. Fact of the matter is that this current Labour Party is no closer to Socialism than, say, John Major was, or William Hague in his leadership days, or FFS David Cameron was, until he got elected and threw off the sheeps clothing to reveal his vindictive side - does anyone really believe that todays Labour Party deserves the title of "socialists" even when used as an insult ? Really ? As a thing of bollax his column should at least distract attention away from this weeks media criticism of His David (whatever this weeks criticism is going to be, has he left official papers or a child or two lying around unattended recently?), but it fails even in that and just sits there on the page, looking like something you wouldn't want to stand in if it were on the pavement, and smelling like it too. Football supporter politics at its poorest, and from the Mayor of London too. Not this silly sound bite again. According to you anyone who passes a different opinion to you is either engaging in 'football supporter politics' or propaganda. Jeez give it a rest.

Re: Bedroom Tax - A Solution ? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:52 pm  

You know the bit about age and wisdom ?

We'll wait for you to catch up at the next service station in life.

Re: Bedroom Tax - A Solution ? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:01 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

You know the bit about age and wisdom ?

We'll wait for you to catch up at the next service station in life.

You are good at sound bites but unfortunately not a lot else.

Re: Bedroom Tax - A Solution ? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:28 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

An earlier question to BiffasBoys to which (s)he has yet to offer a reply...

I'm guessing the answer will be "Gordon Brown"

At no point have I said social housing is wrong.

There is no subsidy. Seems quite smart to me. Government provides capital in far smaller amounts than it would were it to invest in social housing stock. This money isn't lost, it's secure & will not suffer from inflationary pressures.

There is no ongoing capital cost. Once any property is sold, HMG gets it's index linked money back. It's also the preferential creditor should any mortgage be defaulted upon.

The house building market is kick started, safely.

Re: Bedroom Tax - A Solution ? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:29 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

You are good at sound bites but unfortunately not a lot else.

None of his rank alongside 'No more boom & bust'

Re: Bedroom Tax - A Solution ? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:34 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

BiffasBoys wrote:

The banks worked within the regulatory framework they were bound by. How would you define unjustifiable. What is your fascination with the U.S. It's got nothing to do with the UK. The problems in the UK are entirely the fault of the last Labour government & it's first Chancellor of the Exchequer <etc etc>...

Riiiiight ... the economic crisis in the UK that precipitated recession in the UK is/was not part of the same economic crisis that precipitated the recession across the Western economies in the same way at the same moment ... OK, got it

BTW, an example of "unjustifiable" is making bets that you don't have the capitalisation to bear if you lose.
But I guess that never happened either, eh?

BiffasBoys wrote:

Sufficiently? He stripped away regulation & controls that were already in place...

Which regulation and controls were these?
Bear in mind we are looking for the specific controls that would have prevented the financial crash, not some airy-fairy general (and fictional) mentions of "controls" ... now's your chance to be specific for once.
Which controls did Brown take away that would have prevented the crash?

BiffasBoys wrote:

He set up the useless FSA. It doesn't matter one scintilla what anyone said, it's what he did that brought the crash in the UK... <snip> ... Before Brown came along, interest rates were controlled by the Chancellor & the Governor BofE & they fluctuated according to the demand for money & it's supply. Brown killed that mechanism of interest rate control & stripped away controls on lending.

Okaaay ... so giving responsibility to the BoE (interest rates) was a mistake and taking responsibility from the BoE (Financial regulation) was also a mistake.
Hmmm.

El Bardudo wrote:

Just that earlier you said, in one of your "facts", that Gordon Brown took control of interest rates away from the BoE.
I'm just wondering whether I dreamed the handing over of interest rate control TO the BoE, by Gordon Brown, back in 1997...

BiffasBoys wrote:

Perhaps I worded that wrongly. He broke with a 300 year old system to cut the B of E free to do it's own thing, as long as it kept inflation around his target. As long as that figure, which was also manipulated by changing how it was calculated, was good for him, he completely ignores what was going on.

"Worded that wrongly"???? ... bloody hell, I'll say you did ... 100% wrongly
First you say he was wrong to take it away from the BoE.
Then, when you are told that he actually gave it TO the BoE ... suddenly that was the mistake instead.
Why don't you admit that it doesn't really matter who did what or when, that you don't actually require reasons, you just know that EVERYTHING was Brown's fault?

"completely ignored what was going on"? ... to have ignored it, he must have known about it ... so, go on then, you tell us what was "going on" and how he and the rest of the Western economies who spotted it too and "completely ignored" it

You see Sunshine, where he actually went wrong was not in taking away regulation (he didn't) but in not tightening the regulation that he inherited from the previous bunch of spivs.
(Here's your homework ... Google "Thatcher" and "Big Bang" and "deregulation" and see if you come up with "tighter regulation").
The problem was actually that neither he nor other Western governments (or you ... or me) realised was the degree of inter-relation between banks and financial institutions even in different countries.
The banks etc were busily trading in financial instruments which were basically packaged turds, the contents of which governmental agencies were, largely, unaware.
Whilst the FSA (for example) was busy looking at individual institutions, no-one noticed how hugely dangerous this inter-relation was (except the institutions themselves and they didn't actually care as it wasn't their own money they were gambling ... even to the point where Goldman Sachs Group sold $40bn of securities (containing sub-prime mortgages) to its own clients whilst, at the same time betting on a huge drop in the value of those securities. So, basically THEY KNEW they were selling turds ... to clients who paid them and trusted them).
Even the credit-rating agencies were giving this stuff top ratings.
But, I'm forgetting that this was obviously Gordon Brown's fault.

Of course, the Conservatives criticised him at that time for not loosening regulation ... Christ, imagine where we'd be now if that had happened?
We'd better not vote for them, eh?

[quote="BiffasBoys"]The responsibility to act in the best interest of the economy by using interest rates to control the demand for lending...


Yeah, the average house price in the UK doubling in less than 3 years really was the fault of Lehmann Bros & nothing to do with the lenders de-regulated by Gordon Brown & the failure of the Chancellor to make sure interest rates rose to dampen down borrowing demand.

You know, that simple economic theory of supply & demand, so simple even Gordon couldn't follow it. Or his mate Ed.

Re: Bedroom Tax - A Solution ? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:35 pm  

BiffasBoys wrote:

None of his rank alongside 'No more boom & bust'

But...but...but he did absolutely nothing wrong during his time as either Chancellor or PM.

These McBride revelations show just exactly who the nasty party really is.

Re: Bedroom Tax - A Solution ? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:37 pm  

Back on topic, the spare room subsidy is such a sound policy, even Ed M can't say he'll scrap it.

Can't make any decisions until we see the books. But we can spend the bankers levy ten times over, while we dream up a coherent, real life policy.