Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:48 pm  

Kosh wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you, but you have yet to post anything that qualifies as evidence anywhere.

Maybe not scientific evidence, but then again science is concerned with the natural world, not the supernatural.

People of faith are, by definition, unable to take a truly critical standpoint on the object of their faith. Had you truly used critical thinking - or even basic logic - to examine Christianity you would not have been able to come to the conclusions that you express.

I can just as easily say that everyone who has looked at it critically will arrive at the same conclusion as me.

Science doesn't tell people what to think, and interpretation of data does not require faith. It's open to independent corroboration.

Other people can corroborate the power of baptism in the Holy Spirit - even people who didn't want to find God.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:49 pm  

Neil wrote:

Ever heard of an evangelical christian called Francis Collins? As well as being a christian he also an world renowned genetiscist and was the head of the Human Genome project. He has said in the past that the DNA evidence on it's own is enough to confirm common descent. Here's one of his quotes:-

"As someone who's had the privilege of leading the human genome project, I've had the opportunity to study our own DNA instruction book at a level of detail that was never really possible before. It's also now been possible to compare our DNA with that of many other species. The evidence supporting the idea that all living things are descended from a common ancestor is truly overwhelming. I would not necessarily wish that to be so, as a Bible-believing Christian. But it is so. It does not serve faith well to try to deny that."

Trying getting your information on evolution from proper scientists and not morons like Ray Comfort.

All DNA shows is that we have a common creator.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:49 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

No, no, you misunderstand. If you fall short of the perfection the heavenly dictator demands, but you accept that you're a horrible, worthless sinner, then throw yourself at his feet and beg for mercy, he might just let you into heaven. He's a great guy really, if you can look past all the killing and stuff.

Have you heard the parable of the publican and the Pharisee?

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:50 pm  

Neil wrote:

Ever heard of an evangelical christian called Francis Collins? As well as being a christian he also an world renowned genetiscist and was the head of the Human Genome project. He has said in the past that the DNA evidence on it's own is enough to confirm common descent. Here's one of his quotes:-

"As someone who's had the privilege of leading the human genome project, I've had the opportunity to study our own DNA instruction book at a level of detail that was never really possible before. It's also now been possible to compare our DNA with that of many other species. The evidence supporting the idea that all living things are descended from a common ancestor is truly overwhelming. I would not necessarily wish that to be so, as a Bible-believing Christian. But it is so. It does not serve faith well to try to deny that."

He's probably a Satan-loving heretic, in kirkstaller's eyes.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:52 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Have you heard the parable of the publican and the Pharisee?

clearly not al loudly as the voices in your head

I'll give you this, you are persistent, but you are a grade 1 idiot.

link to some evidence

link to some facts

explain why God is benevolent and vengeful at the same time

explain why your God hasn't struck me down, maybe he wants me to maintain the hell on earth of reading the utter garbage people like you spout....what a spiteful w@kr your God is, either way.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:53 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

All DNA shows is that we have a common creator.

Look, you've really got to do better than this. All your statement does is confirm (not that there was any doubt) that you really don't understand the science. It's a poor way of debating to just stick your fingers in your ears and deny the evidence that every scientist on the planet has accepted.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:56 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

Look, you've really got to do better than this. All your statement does is confirm (not that there was any doubt) that you really don't understand the science. It's a poor way of debating to just stick your fingers in your ears and deny the evidence that every scientist on the planet has accepted.

What you really mean is I'm not convinced by your arguments against God and I'm sticking with Jesus. That must be really frustrating for people like you who have hardened their heart against God

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:57 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

All DNA shows is that we have a common creator.

I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:59 pm  

Standee wrote: clearly not al loudly as the voices in your head I'll give you this, you are persistent, but you are a grade 1 idiot. link to some evidence link to some facts explain why God is benevolent and vengeful at the same time explain why your God hasn't struck me down, maybe he wants me to maintain the hell on earth of reading the utter garbage people like you spout....what a spiteful w@kr your God is, either way. I'm not sure I can link to my own personal relationship with Jesus I can tell you more about it if you want? You could also try finding Jesus yourself. I suggest an Alpha course http://uk-england.alpha.org/ or your local church (make sure it is Bible-based). God hasn't struck you down because he is giving you the chance to come to him.

Standee wrote: clearly not al loudly as the voices in your head I'll give you this, you are persistent, but you are a grade 1 idiot. link to some evidence link to some facts explain why God is benevolent and vengeful at the same time explain why your God hasn't struck me down, maybe he wants me to maintain the hell on earth of reading the utter garbage people like you spout....what a spiteful w@kr your God is, either way. I'm not sure I can link to my own personal relationship with Jesus I can tell you more about it if you want? You could also try finding Jesus yourself. I suggest an Alpha course http://uk-england.alpha.org/ or your local church (make sure it is Bible-based). God hasn't struck you down because he is giving you the chance to come to him.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:02 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

What you really mean is I'm not convinced by your arguments against God and I'm sticking with Jesus.

No, what I'm saying is that you don't understand the science, or you're choosing to ignore it. You can't just pretend it's not there. Every reputable scientist - even the Christian ones - accept evolution as scientific fact. If you don't accept it, your position is not based on evidence or reason, but blind faith.