Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:39 am  

Cronus wrote:

Do you honestly think the reaction would have been any different if it had been a Tory minister? Get real.

In fact, it's very interesting watching left-wingers playing the whole thing down...all the while knowing full well if (for example) Philip Hammond had been seen saying the same thing the anti-Tory frenzy would be on another scale and he'd have been forced to resign by now.

You know, and I know it.

Own goal alert!

Phillip Hammond referred to his fellow Tory MP, and prominent swivel-eyed unicorn salesperson Andrea Jenkyns, as a "stupid woman" in July; she brushed it off as part of the "cut and thrust of politics."

Not to mention:

David Cameron to Angela Eagle: "Calm down dear"
Nicholas Soames to a female Labour MP: "woof woof"
William Hague to female Labour MP: "stupid stupid woman"
Boris Johnson to Emily Thornberry: "The noble and learned The Baroness whatever it is"

And lets not forget that the prominent feminist and enabler of women in parliament Theresa May, restored the whip to 2 alleged sex pests in her own party, just to get their support in the confidence vote - to a deafening silence from the MSM.

But you're right - sexism is very definitely one of the growing list of isms that Corbyn is labelled with every time the Tories are in hot water; it's almost as if they're trying to distract us...

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:54 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Bless the ickle snowflake right wingers getting outraged. What Corbyn did was wrong. What he should have done was walk across the floor & snotted the stupid cow. An outraged party & woman who only a few days ago gave the whip back to 2 MPs who had sent thousands of explicit sexual messages. A woman whose actions are destroying the country, its health, education & social services, killing hundreds of homeless, putting record numbers on the streets, yet thinks it is acceptable to behave like the privileged upper class ponce in a high school drama lesson, cheered on by her parasitic fags, in the supposed home of intellectual debate.

And she speaks so highly of you.

No, what he should do is stop gambling on a reasonable Brexit deal in the hope of creating so much chaos and damage he gets a shot at No.10.

Because unless you're a complete blithering idiot, it should be clear that's what's going on. Labour is throwing us all off a cliff to get a General Election.

Yes, there is some division with the Tory party - but this policy of 'Tories out at any cost' from several parties is taking us all down the path of No Deal. And you know what, the public can see it. Labour think they'll win votes if Brexit implodes? They could be surprised.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:07 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Own goal alert!

Phillip Hammond referred to his fellow Tory MP, and prominent swivel-eyed unicorn salesperson Andrea Jenkyns, as a "stupid woman" in July; she brushed it off as part of the "cut and thrust of politics."

Not to mention:

David Cameron to Angela Eagle: "Calm down dear"
Nicholas Soames to a female Labour MP: "woof woof"
William Hague to female Labour MP: "stupid stupid woman"
Boris Johnson to Emily Thornberry: "The noble and learned The Baroness whatever it is"

And lets not forget that the prominent feminist and enabler of women in parliament Theresa May, restored the whip to 2 alleged sex pests in her own party, just to get their support in the confidence vote - to a deafening silence from the MSM.

But you're right - sexism is very definitely one of the growing list of isms that Corbyn is labelled with every time the Tories are in hot water; it's almost as if they're trying to distract us...

So those were all unacceptable, but what Corbyn said isn't? Make your mind up.

Today's increasingly aggressive climate around any hint of misogyny is far more critical and unforgiving than it ever has been, by some degree - yet lefty lovies reel off their excuses when Emperor Jezza gets caught out.

And yeah, I'm sure you'd have been so chilled about it if it had been a Tory.

In all honesty, I really don't care WHAT he said. I detest this culture of trial by (social) media and forced resignations for relatively minor indiscretions - as I've said on here many times. What I'm chuckling at is the massive hypocrisy from Labour and the anti-Tory brigade.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:10 pm  

Cronus wrote:

So those were all unacceptable, but what Corbyn said isn't? Make your mind up.

Calm down dear - you're transposing your faux outrage onto me.

You said:

"In fact, it's very interesting watching left-wingers playing the whole thing down...all the while knowing full well if (for example) Philip Hammond had been seen saying the same thing the anti-Tory frenzy would be on another scale and he'd have been forced to resign by now."

Which clearly isn't the case, because the last time I checked, spreadsheet Phil is still sitting pretty in no 11, despite saying *exactly* the words that you wish Corbyn had said, but with an extra "stupid" thrown in for good measure.

This whole thing is a dead cat - and the media are complicit; meanwhile, people are literally dying on the streets. It's pathetic - I'm off to fly my drone.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:49 pm  

Cronus wrote:

And she speaks so highly of you.

No, what he should do is stop gambling on a reasonable Brexit deal in the hope of creating so much chaos and damage he gets a shot at No.10.

Because unless you're a complete blithering idiot, it should be clear that's what's going on. Labour is throwing us all off a cliff to get a General Election.

Yes, there is some division with the Tory party - but this policy of 'Tories out at any cost' from several parties is taking us all down the path of No Deal. And you know what, the public can see it. Labour think they'll win votes if Brexit implodes? They could be surprised.

It is an interesting conundrum from a labour perspective.

Whatever your position on Brexit, it is clear that for either of the parties realistically capable of forming a government it is political poison, and they have to mitigate the damage it will do to them.

It may fall to Labour to save the country from the worst potential outcomes of a Tory-initiated Brexit, but they have to be very wary of getting Clegged. They have sat on the fence and May’s delays are rapidly narrowing everybody’s options. They may end up having to abstain in protest (which probably looks like an abdication of responsibility) or give their MPs a free vote (which looks like indecision), to get us all off the no-deal hook. However, asking them to properly dip their hands in the blood at this late stage isn’t realistic.

Maybe it should have been negotiated by a cross-party group. That’d have gone well, i’m sure!

As it is, the choices are finally clear and none of them are good. Tick tock.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:31 pm  

Cronus wrote:

And she speaks so highly of you.

No, what he should do is stop gambling on a reasonable Brexit deal in the hope of creating so much chaos and damage he gets a shot at No.10.

Because unless you're a complete blithering idiot, it should be clear that's what's going on. Labour is throwing us all off a cliff to get a General Election.

You're starting to sound a little bit worried. ??

Remind me just how many times we've been told by "leave" that the cliff edge was something made up by "projet fear" and that "we" had taken back control and even you have said that it would be alittle worse in the short term but that it "is a price worth paying".

Instead of going it alone and dismissing ALL of the opposition parties and their MP's, Mrs May needed to engage with ALL PM's at the outset and listen to some of the genuine concerns, especially in Scotland and N.Ireland but, she deliberately chose not to and now, you expect MP's from other parties to "help" her out of her very own mess ??

Instead of mocking "project fear" she should have adopted an inclusive strategy and reached accross the "house" but, not a bloody chance and now the stupid woman is gmabling everything on opposition MP's getting nervous about "no deal" and to back her at the 11th hour. FFS, what did she expect.

Just remember, YOU (along with 51.9% of those who voted) are getting what you voted for, chaos and another ecconomic shock, at a time when we are, despite Mrs May's comments, still trying to fight our way out of 10 years of austerity cuts.

May sacrificed a Tory majority when she held her "strong and stable" election and she should have resigned when HER deal was found to be so poor.

Whatever happened to "no deal is better than a bad deal", spouted by so many prominent leavers ??

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:41 pm  

Yeah, that’s what i’m curious about from a Leave perspective. For them no Brexit remains a no-no (fair enough, we had a vote) - so which do they prefer now? No deal or May’s deal? And how happy are they with that?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:09 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Calm down dear - you're transposing your faux outrage onto me.

Please, outrage? Did you read the last paragraph?

I don't do outrage.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:59 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Yeah, that’s what i’m curious about from a Leave perspective. For them no Brexit remains a no-no (fair enough, we had a vote) - so which do they prefer now? No deal or May’s deal? And how happy are they with that?

The strategists at Labour HQ don't care. They want No.10 and they want it by any means. They think that if they can drive Brexit to a no-deal (or even remain in the EU), they can all blame the Tories and force a General Election.

Truth is, Corbyn is a Euro-sceptic of many decades. Meanwhile, the new Corbynite Labour members are pro-remain while much of Labour's traditional heartlands are strongly for leave. They're wrestling with themselves.

Thing is, I'm far from convinced they would even win a GE. Corbyn is unelectable for many and the public aren't so stupid as not to see who has driven us to no-deal.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:29 pm  

Cronus wrote:

The strategists at Labour HQ don't care.

Perhaps they don’t, but it’s not them asking.

Do you think May’s deal is good? Or merely better than crashing out?

FWIW, given that Cameron’s first shot was into the deep rough, she went to grab an iron and pulled out a putter (that’s the election), and her caddy is pointing enthusiastically towards the water hazard (that’s the ERG), I think she’s done alright.