Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:43 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

She is useless - at the end of the day they are advisors - the government makes the decision. Interesting John Hemmings on Marr on Sunday said the only way this ends is through herd immunity - perhaps if the government had stuck to its guns initially we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.

They need to stop putting Helen Whatley in front of the media. She is really poor and making the government look like it really doesn't know what it is doing.

It's like when Labour used to put Richard Burgon and Barry Gardiner in front of the cameras all the time. These people become the face of the party and the public forms an impression from them that is hard to shift.

I have a largely Tory-supporting family so use them as a bellweather for things that potentially shift the dial. Their default position is to always defend the Tory party and turn everything into "you think Labour would do any better??" but the two things I've noticed recently that have irked them are Cummings (they have signed all the petitions to get him out, can't understand why Boris doesn't ditch him) and Helen Whatley being crap.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:46 am  

sally cinnamon wrote:

They need to stop putting Helen Whatley in front of the media. She is really poor and making the government look like it really doesn't know what it is doing.

It's like when Labour used to put Richard Burgon and Barry Gardiner in front of the cameras all the time. These people become the face of the party and the public forms an impression from them that is hard to shift.

I have a largely Tory-supporting family so use them as a bellweather for things that potentially shift the dial. Their default position is to always defend the Tory party and turn everything into "you think Labour would do any better??" but the two things I've noticed recently that have irked them are Cummings (they have signed all the petitions to get him out, can't understand why Boris doesn't ditch him) and Helen Whatley being crap.

I agree they should stick to a few tried and tested: Gove, Sunak, Lewis, Duncan-smith, Schapps, Hancock.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:04 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

She is useless - at the end of the day they are advisors - the government makes the decision. Interesting John Hemmings on Marr on Sunday said the only way this ends is through herd immunity - perhaps if the government had stuck to its guns initially we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.

That needs to be tempered by pointing out that herd immunity can be achieved by immunisation- assuming a vaccine is found and made available.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:22 pm  

Also, just because restrictions aren’t put in place doesn’t mean people will just carry on as normal with no major hit to the economy.

People made much of Sweden not having a really bad death rate despite much more limited measures. However, I’ve seen numbers (on YouTube, admittedly) indicating that the impact on their economy hasn’t been much less than in Denmark. I suspect a level of personal preservation kicks In. Being alive is some consolation in a deep recession, a shallower recession isn’t so much if you’re dead.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:31 pm  

So a vile letter from a labour mp accusing patell of gaslighting has been ignored by the millionaire champagne socialist leader of Labour.

I know Labour are at an all time low and close to being overtaken by the Lib Dem’s but could they actually stoop any lower?

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:57 pm  

Steph Curry wrote:

So a vile letter from a labour mp accusing patell of gaslighting has been ignored by the millionaire champagne socialist leader of Labour.

I know Labour are at an all time low and close to being overtaken by the Lib Dem’s but could they actually stoop any lower?

Yeah, they could board up the Cenotaph and Churc.... oh, hang on....

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:29 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The facts are that we are actually the worse for excess deaths per million in the entire world. I hope the truth does not get in the way of your false hope that the government are running a successful virus operation.

I note that I am still waiting your reply to the above.

With regards your somewhat inaccurate statement regarding the position of the Labour Party I would remind you that it is their leader who is currently leading in the polls over the lazy lying PM whose only success is to blame others.
The Conservatives are responsible for the Windrush debacle which not surprisingly they have still not resolved including Priti Patel despite one of the famous altered reports that was produced highlighting the number of errors. The government are of course good at burying, changing or just ignoring any report they don’t like.
Russia - Still to be released
BAME - Large parts not released
SAGE Minutes- Many not released and those that were heavily redacted
2016 Pandemic Report Preparation- Buried
Brexit Impact - Buried

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:44 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I agree they should stick to a few tried and tested: Gove, Sunak, Lewis, Duncan-smith, Schapps, Hancock.

What has happened to Domonic Raab, has he moved in to the Rees Mogg "bubble"

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:08 pm  

Steph Curry wrote:

So a vile letter from a labour mp accusing patell of gaslighting has been ignored by the millionaire champagne socialist leader of Labour.

I know Labour are at an all time low and close to being overtaken by the Lib Dem’s but could they actually stoop any lower?

..and here we have a good example of how much our childrens knowledge and understanding will suffer from missing so much schooling.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:32 pm  

After weeks of the majority of the population either on furlough or out of work and therefore struggling financially what is Johnson’s economic idea, it is none other than the Vivian Nicholson principle “spend, spend spend”. That will help with personal debt when many have been struggling. I suppose he was not referring to those his party left behind.