Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:08 am  

Standee wrote:

or my personal favourite, the one where some dude put 2 of each creature on a boat, and none of the predatory creatues ate the prey creatures, we came from Adam and Eve, but God didn't like how it tipped up, so he murdered everyone apart from this Noah bloke and his kids,and they gave rise to all of mankind (you know, even Asian, American, African, Middle Eastern, European variants, we're all from the same stock, yes siree)

Nope, that bits true, they found the remains of a boat on top of a mountain in the middle east once so thats proof, they didn't offer any proof or anything, just said "We found this boat on top of a mountain, it must be Noahs".

It was buried under eighteen feet of fossilised animal shit.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:19 am  

McLaren_Field wrote:

Nope, that bits true, they found the remains of a boat on top of a mountain in the middle east once so thats proof, they didn't offer any proof or anything, just said "We found this boat on top of a mountain, it must be Noahs".

It was buried under eighteen feet of fossilised animal shit.

I saw a program on it on Thursday, they changed the Noah story a bit (a lot) and ended it with....

This could be conclusive proof on the existence of God.

It was carbon dated and accepted to be around the correct time (wtf does that mean ) but when I saw that the shroud of Turin carbon dating didn't match so they rejected it, you can't win.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:07 pm  

They're on form on twitter today:

Rev. Keith Roberts ‏@GodsLandGodsLaw

Christians have a MORAL OBLIGATION to God to ensure science is banned in America. It is the single greatest threat to Christianity!

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:25 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

They're on form on twitter today:

Rev. Keith Roberts ‏@GodsLandGodsLaw

Christians have a MORAL OBLIGATION to God to ensure science is banned in America. It is the single greatest threat to Christianity!

What a card.

And to think these idiots get tax exemptions into the billions of dollars to spread this rubbish.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:54 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

:lol: What a card.

And to think these idiots get tax exemptions into the billions of dollars to spread this rubbish.

And to lavish themselves with Lear Jets and posh cars. As they say on one of my favourite podcasts,

"Any preacher with more than one pair of shoes is a hypocrite"

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:42 pm  

Neil wrote: And to lavish themselves with Lear Jets and posh cars. As they say on one of my favourite podcasts, "Any preacher with more than one pair of shoes is a hypocrite" Who would that be? A bit of a read, but you get the point. http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.ph ... ragun_32_4

Neil wrote: And to lavish themselves with Lear Jets and posh cars. As they say on one of my favourite podcasts, "Any preacher with more than one pair of shoes is a hypocrite" Who would that be? A bit of a read, but you get the point. http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.ph ... ragun_32_4

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:58 am  

Sheldon wrote: Who would that be? The Non Prophets Don't ask me which episode though, I've been slowly trawling my way through about five years worth.

Sheldon wrote: Who would that be? The Non Prophets Don't ask me which episode though, I've been slowly trawling my way through about five years worth.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:43 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

You were the one who scuttled off last time.

I only occasionally dip into this thread now as it is largely boring. However your above assertion is as ridiculous as your overall position, since in the months the thread has run, you have yet to answer a single one of the many questions I put to you. My presenc eor absence is not the point. Your unwillingness / inability to give a straight answer to any straight quetsion is the point.

kirkstaller wrote:

As for evidence, by the far most convincing is the daily spiritual relationship I have with Jesus. Second is the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. Third, the creation which surrounds us.

Accepting you are an adult of seemingly at least average intelligence, I will not insult it by a response that would even consider the possibility you actually fail to understand what "evidence" is, or that you actually believe what you just wrote.

kirkstaller wrote:

...
Let me ask {Rock god x} a very important question -

Have you been filled with the Spirit?

If not, then you are by no means qualified to judge the experience of those who have been born again in Christ.

You are attempting to equate a metaphysical religious experience, which even you must at least concede, in the absence of any of that "evidence" stuff could just all be in your head, with proper "evidence", as understood down on this planet.

kirkstaller wrote:

You observe results. We observe Jesus.

No. You don't. You claim to have had some sort of personal meeting, but this is a delusion.

kirkstaller wrote:

Scientific results can be replicated by others. The gifts of the Spirit can be replicated by others.

The former can, or can be improved, or disproved, or refined. That is the scientific process. The latter clearly are a metaphysical concept incapable of evidence-based consideration. there is no evidence of "the Spirit", much less any such "gifts", and if others could replicate them, then you wouldn't need a "Spirit", would you?

kirkstaller wrote:

Can you explain the explosion of the early church? Why the Apostles agreed to forsake their lives if Jesus was not the Son of God?

Similar mental processes that lead millions of Muslims to deny Jesus was the son of god. Similar processes that led to the deaths of hundreds of cult followers at places like Waco. Can YOU explain the explosion of any number of hundreds of other religions across the world, followers of which all believe theirs is the only true religion and all others are misguided?

kirkstaller wrote:

Why the tomb was empty? Where Jesus’ body went?

As this is a pure anecdote, you can hardly cite it as "evidence". But if I were wanting to create a cult of a risen-from-the-dead individual, how hard would it be to make a body disappear?

kirkstaller wrote:

Evolution is not hard fact.

That evolution has taken place and does take place is indeed a hard fact. Further, that the basic propositions are true is supported by millions upon millions of hard facts. Millions of pieces of evidence (you remember that "evidence" thing?) all support and fit in to the evolutionary jigsaw.

kirkstaller wrote:

If God is all-powerful, what makes you think that he needs to create a light source in order to create light?

Apart from its asinine qualities, that statement also demonstrates that you don't actually even have a clue what "light" is. (A fault shared, in fairness, by the authors of the original piece, but they at least have the excuse of living in a time of no scientific knowledge of such matters). Well done.

Now, you've had a few months to ponder my previous questions. Maybe you could start with a reply to any given one?

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:04 am  

I can categorically state that Kirkstaller is correct, Jesus does exist.

In a moment of intense personal weakness and vulnerability (the night of the Leeds v Wigan game) Jesus appeared to me. I experienced an intense spiritual relationship with Jesus. It wasn't a conversation or dialogue, more just a deep spiritual understanding that I was lost, but now am found.
My previous sinful thoughts and actions will continue no longer. I now do not give to charity, what is happening to those African children is God's will.
I now no longer believe what the brain that God created and placed in my head tells me. I instead believe one particular interpretation of a text written hundreds of years after an event. I believe in the Ten Commandments, especially number 11.
So you should all desist in this unwarranted attack upon Kirkstaller, for he speaks the truth, as I am directed to believe it.

Now there's a tiny, tiny possibility that this intense spiritual experience was a combination of Leeds getting a good thrashing, copius amounts of alcohol and a chance meeting with Jamie Jones-Buchanan after the game, but I doubt. No, I met Jesus.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:35 am  

Maybe Jamie Jones-Buchanan is Jesus? His second coming is overdue, is it not?