[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:02 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Labour’s chances in a GE could also be boosted by a split in the Conservative party, which increasingly feels like it would be a real possibility if it came to that.

I doubt it. When the chips are down they'll all pull together. If there's any split it will come from a few on the far right of the party rather than the "wets" like Soubry. Even then I'd expect them to want to move the whole party rightwards rather than start UKIP-lite. Especially as UKIP is off limits to anyone who isn't an out and out racist now.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:47 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

I doubt it. When the chips are down they'll all pull together. If there's any split it will come from a few on the far right of the party rather than the "wets" like Soubry. Even then I'd expect them to want to move the whole party rightwards rather than start UKIP-lite. Especially as UKIP is off limits to anyone who isn't an out and out racist now.

I cant believe that UKIP are racist, such lovely people who happened to want a reduction in immigration.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:45 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

I doubt it. When the chips are down they'll all pull together. If there's any split it will come from a few on the far right of the party rather than the "wets" like Soubry. Even then I'd expect them to want to move the whole party rightwards rather than start UKIP-lite. Especially as UKIP is off limits to anyone who isn't an out and out racist now.

I see your point and I’d normally think the same.

I just don’t see how they could all campaign for the same manifesto or even leader, if the GE came before a Brexit deal was agreed.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:52 pm  

This is what I posted in respect of a Labour MP opposing another referendum
A referendum based on lies. Now the people know what it means give them a proper vote. Dominic Raab probably the next Tory leader is clear it will not be £350m to the NHS but to reducing business tax. David Davis cannot wait to sign a free trade deal with America so we can get all their cheap poisonous meat and give their insurance companies entry to the NHS. Not good to see Labour MPs in bed with Putin and Trump both of whom see a weaker Europe leading to a stronger Russia and America . As much as I support Corbyn he is sending us down a dangerous route. Leave the Eu and lose the next election and everything the left has stood for since 1945 will be gone

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:36 am  

All the Tories need to do is put up a younger fresher face who can speak coherently and they will see off Corbyn and his 'art house' cronies.

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:00 am  

Bring on Boris!

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:23 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

All the Tories need to do is put up a younger fresher face who can speak coherently and they will see off Corbyn and his 'art house' cronies.

Sadly a large proportion of the population do not vote on policies. More faux outrage in the gutter press about car parking charges at hospitals, conveniently ignoring the fact hospitals are having to do it to survive.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:58 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

My criticism is really with the ‘all options remain on the table’. It’s getting a bit late in the day for that.

I agree - but the blame for that can be laid at the door of Mrs May and her succession of incompetent Brexit Ministers, who've run the clock down only to achieve a 'deal' that suits nobody.

However, if there's a serious attempt to restart and negotiate something that works for everyone, Article 50 could be extended, with the agreement of the EU27; and the ECJ has already ruled that the UK can revoke it unilaterally - so in the event of a 2nd vote, the whole thing could be binned.

So whilst I agree it's late in the day, all options do, technically, remain on the table.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:29 am  

bren2k wrote:

I agree - but the blame for that can be laid at the door of Mrs May and her succession of incompetent Brexit Ministers, who've run the clock down only to achieve a 'deal' that suits nobody.

However, if there's a serious attempt to restart and negotiate something that works for everyone, Article 50 could be extended, with the agreement of the EU27; and the ECJ has already ruled that the UK can revoke it unilaterally - so in the event of a 2nd vote, the whole thing could be binned.

So whilst I agree it's late in the day, all options do, technically, remain on the table.

Plenty of options but, very little time.
Just imagine if May was ousted and we had to go through a further round of negotiations.

Trump, having got the US ecconomy booming, appears to have burst the bubble in some style, with his "shoot from the hip diplomacy" now costing the US ecconomy and stock market, which will inevitably mean the ripples and fall out coming our way.
We have an ecconomy bumping along with very little growth and the Trump effect + Brexit will mean yet more "fun" for the masses.
Whilst or politicians play schoolyard games, the country is starting to slide downhill and whether we end up with Corbyn or anyone else, the whole Brexit nonsense is coming at a particularly bad time.

Happ new year everyone

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:24 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Plenty of options but, very little time

Except for in the circumstances I described; the EU 27 would undoubtedly allow the UK to postpone Article 50 - and it can be rescinded altogether without their permission, should a PV happen and the UK demonstrate that it's changed position.

I don't necessarily advocate it, but those people suggesting Corbyn is offering something he can't deliver, are demonstrably wrong; if there's a GE, which is the Labour position, all options really do remain on the table.