Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 10:55 am  

General Zod. wrote:

The collapse of the country will be a good thing to wipe out baby boomer's pensions and their two holidays a year, and instead allow the young people of this country at least a fairer society - even though a poorer one.

Ajw71 wrote:

Opinions such as this belong in the dark ages.

Typically predictable comment from a typical economically illiterate tory.

When I say a "poorer society" I mean in the context of it being an inevitably - not a desire, but because you have a picture of Thatcher, you won't have an understanding of how wealth disparity happens and understand that Thatcher's legacy is a country on the road to default.

It is fact that the biggest gain of wealth for asset holders happened from the late '80s up to the financial crash - a large proportion of these asset holders where obviously baby boomers gained their wealth through property prices and pensions with large holdings in UK Government bonds.

So this group of people with their "I've worked for what I've got attitude" lack the understanding that they haven't actually "worked for what they've got" they've simply fell into the "rentier class" as a result of loose monetary policy and wealth transfer schemes such as "Help to Buy" which means hard work young people feed asset prices so baby boomers can use their pensions to go on their two holidays abroad a year.

A collapse of the bond market will simply be the laws of mathematics taking the course of "reverting to the mean" so all these pensions will get wiped out and the country will have to start producing again which will create jobs for young people.

Make no mistake about it; there will be no reflation of the bubble economy next time round.

As so happens when I debate with Tories, they act as if they're smug and knowledgable with their stock phrases such as "we have a strong economy" and as soon as I start schooling them they disappear - I expect you'll be no different.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 12:29 pm  

Lord Elpers wrote:

Ukip may only have one seat at Westminster but like it or not they are now the third largest party in the popular vote, so dismiss them at your peril.

Yeah, I'm incredibly worried about a party which effectively exists within a vacuum, hyper-inflated by outside cash which can be withdrawn just as easily as it was injected in the first place, threadbare in terms of core infrastructure, policies etc. - not to mention meager ties to the establishment which, say, the Tories can boast going back centuries through blood ties. UKIP is just another in a long, long line of political implements meant to hoodwink the electorate into an expedient belief system. Like all implements it will be tossed aside the moment it has served its purpose.

Don't kid yourself that Labour saw this coming or that Ed Balls is happy about being thrown out. They have presided over a steady decline in influence north of the border for many years now and were complacent and failed to spot the dangers. Unless they swing back to the middle ground they will fall further behind the Tories in England too as Cameron & Osborne continue with their strong economic plans.

Of course Labour saw it coming and if you seriously believe the grandees of the Labour Party went "all in" behind The School Prefect because they honestly believed he represented the best hope for the nation you're a fool. It was a job none of them wanted. So they gave it to the eager beaver kid who doesn't mind taking dirty jobs if it'll propel him three steps up the ladder of power.

This election has been a sick joke from the beginning. And the joke's on us.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 6:18 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Yeah, I'm incredibly worried about a party which effectively exists within a vacuum, hyper-inflated by outside cash which can be withdrawn just as easily as it was injected in the first place, threadbare in terms of core infrastructure, policies etc. - not to mention meager ties to the establishment which, say, the Tories can boast going back centuries through blood ties. UKIP is just another in a long, long line of political implements meant to hoodwink the electorate into an expedient belief system. Like all implements it will be tossed aside the moment it has served its purpose.

Just like Labour you seriously have underestimated the public feeling on several core issues. 4 million people voted for Ukip amost twice as many as voted for the SNP and many of them switched from Labour.

Mugwump wrote:

Of course Labour saw it coming and if you seriously believe the grandees of the Labour Party went "all in" behind The School Prefect because they honestly believed he represented the best hope for the nation you're a fool. It was a job none of them wanted. So they gave it to the eager beaver kid who doesn't mind taking dirty jobs if it'll propel him three steps up the ladder of power.

This election has been a sick joke from the beginning. And the joke's on us.

The only fools here are those that cannot except that Labour was routed in Scotland and embarrassed in England because is was represented by oddballs and incompetents touting out of date rhetoric and unable to put up a serious case to deal with the important issues of the day.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 6:33 pm  

Lord Elpers wrote:

Just like Labour you seriously have underestimated the public feeling on several core issues. 4 million people voted for Ukip amost twice as many as voted for the SNP and many of them switched from Labour..

Thats the really inexplicable thing - right wing party appears on the scene, further right than the Tories and attracts core vote from dirt poor traditional working class Labour supporters because of their Nationalistic jingo, borderline racism and absolute xenophobic policies, and will now quietly fade from the scene for another five years.

I call conspiracy theory...

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 7:30 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Thats the really inexplicable thing - right wing party appears on the scene, further right than the Tories and attracts core vote from dirt poor traditional working class Labour supporters because of their Nationalistic jingo, borderline racism and absolute xenophobic policies, and will now quietly fade from the scene for another five years.

I call conspiracy theory...

In five years time we'll be looking back on UKIP as we now do on the BNP. UKIP's high-water mark was the last Euro elections

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 7:51 pm  

General Zod. wrote:

Typically predictable comment from a typical economically illiterate tory.

When I say a "poorer society" I mean in the context of it being an inevitably - not a desire, but because you have a picture of Thatcher, you won't have an understanding of how wealth disparity happens and understand that Thatcher's legacy is a country on the road to default.

It is fact that the biggest gain of wealth for asset holders happened from the late '80s up to the financial crash - a large proportion of these asset holders where obviously baby boomers gained their wealth through property prices and pensions with large holdings in UK Government bonds.

So this group of people with their "I've worked for what I've got attitude" lack the understanding that they haven't actually "worked for what they've got" they've simply fell into the "rentier class" as a result of loose monetary policy and wealth transfer schemes such as "Help to Buy" which means hard work young people feed asset prices so baby boomers can use their pensions to go on their two holidays abroad a year.

A collapse of the bond market will simply be the laws of mathematics taking the course of "reverting to the mean" so all these pensions will get wiped out and the country will have to start producing again which will create jobs for young people.

Make no mistake about it; there will be no reflation of the bubble economy next time round.

As so happens when I debate with Tories, they act as if they're smug and knowledgable with their stock phrases such as "we have a strong economy" and as soon as I start schooling them they disappear - I expect you'll be no different.

You have to actually know what you are talking about before you can start schooling anyone - something you quite clearly don't.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 7:56 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

In five years time we'll be looking back on UKIP as we now do on the BNP. UKIP's high-water mark was the last Euro elections

Agree with that - their vote is a reflection on the abysmal quality of the two major parties.

I would have liked to have seen Len McCluskey interviewed after his engineered Labour leadership performance. It would have been almost as funny as when Jim Ratcliffe put him back in his box.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 8:47 pm  

When I predicted riots by summer 2017 I meant by "real" people not those posh kids who are rioting today.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 9:15 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

I am very excited about the Human Rights Act being repealed! No more pandering to terrorists who cannot be deported because of tenuous links to the country.

So many other policies to be excited about - finally a say on the EU!

So you are "excited" about repealing these rights then?



Or is it to be some kind of a simpleton's pick-n-mix?

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 9:28 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

So you are "excited" about repealing these rights then?



Or is it to be some kind of a simpleton's pick-n-mix?

Our government has already overridden Art. 8!