Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:44 am  

cod'ead wrote:

...Interesting that Cameron is focussing on nurses pay...

It is indeed.
He always precedes his cuts with some sort of woolly preamble that is meant to appeal to the cash-strapped voter.
In reducing benfits, he gets the voter onside first with stressing that it's strivers versus skivers, then punishes both.
In increasing university tuition fees, he makes noises about it being unfair that the dustman pays for the toff's kid to go to university, then makes it too daunting for the dustman's kid.

In this case he's talkiing about nurses getting more pay only if they are compassionate.
Maybe I'm just cynical but I reckon it's the nice, warm, fluffy opening gambit to another way of cutting.
We shall see.

[Kosh]

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:50 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

In this case he's talkiing about nurses getting more pay only if they are compassionate.
Maybe I'm just cynical but I reckon it's the nice, warm, fluffy opening gambit to another way of cutting.
We shall see.

It'll be interesting to see how he proposes to measure 'compassion' in an objective and accurate enough manner to form the basis of a pay scale.

He clearly doesn't understand SMART targets.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:01 am  

Kosh wrote:

It'll be interesting to see how he proposes to measure 'compassion' in an objective and accurate enough manner to form the basis of a pay scale.

He clearly doesn't understand SMART targets.

It did occur to me too, wondering just how compassion is measurable.
Tick boxes for number of times the patient's hand is patted or fevered brow is stroked?

[John_D]

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:07 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

In this case he's talkiing about nurses getting more pay only if they are compassionate.
Maybe I'm just cynical but I reckon it's the nice, warm, fluffy opening gambit to another way of cutting.
We shall see.

Of course it is. Give nurses more and more to do so they have less time to spend with patients, then point and say they're neglecting patients and slash salaries across the board. I think this is what they meant by transparency in government...

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:27 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

No, but if you can blame someone else for your inability to change things then that makes it alright, its supporter politics in the playground again

.
that makes no sense. though you've got your daily quota in at the end.

However no-one in the coalition is blaming any other political party for what went on in Stafford, they are all well aware that it was down to local management and there is very little that a government can do with that localised situation other than watch the trends and sweep up afterwards

the coalition don't have to blame labour. the dates, the report point the finger at them. to do it in public would be seen as opportunistic. but all the targets, funding is sent down from government, a government obsessed with figures.

from the guardian.

This is a story of appalling and unnecessary suffering, he says. Corporate interests were put ahead of those of patients.

from the beeb

The Department of Health was criticised for being too remote and not always putting patients first, prioritising policies over patient considerations.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:29 am  

cod'ead wrote:

(another Thatcher baby)

HOUSE!!!

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:40 am  

samwire wrote:

HOUSE!!!

Care to prove otherwise?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:45 am  

Ajw71 wrote: This was the state of the NHS under Labour. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21358905 Because in 13 years of Tory rule we didn't have widespread issues with NHS care...

Ajw71 wrote: This was the state of the NHS under Labour. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21358905 Because in 13 years of Tory rule we didn't have widespread issues with NHS care...

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:46 am  

El Barbudo wrote: In increasing university tuition fees, he makes noises about it being unfair that the dustman pays for the toff's kid to go to university, then makes it too daunting for the dustman's kid. or not. now, it is a lib dem making these claims. but i'm trying to find something martin lewis tweeted about it, still the only person in the public eye who has a remotely rational way at looking at them that i've seen. http://www.markpack.org.uk/38850/new-university-data-shows-everyone-was-wrong-about-tuition-fees/?utm_source=WordTwit&utm_campaign=wordtwit&utm_medium=referral

El Barbudo wrote: In increasing university tuition fees, he makes noises about it being unfair that the dustman pays for the toff's kid to go to university, then makes it too daunting for the dustman's kid. or not. now, it is a lib dem making these claims. but i'm trying to find something martin lewis tweeted about it, still the only person in the public eye who has a remotely rational way at looking at them that i've seen. http://www.markpack.org.uk/38850/new-university-data-shows-everyone-was-wrong-about-tuition-fees/?utm_source=WordTwit&utm_campaign=wordtwit&utm_medium=referral

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:48 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Care to prove otherwise?

prove that you don't invoke maggie to blame all of societies ills on? i'm not sure that would be possible.