Re: What now for the UK? : Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:26 am  

Instead of starting a new thread ... More from those dastardly unions, campaigning on things that help to raise productivity – who do they think they are?

Instead of starting a new thread ... More from those dastardly unions, campaigning on things that help to raise productivity – who do they think they are?

Re: What now for the UK? : Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:53 pm  

Mintball wrote: Instead of starting a new thread ... More from those dastardly unions, campaigning on things that help to raise productivity – who do they think they are? I couldn't see anything of substance in that article (other than a headline). Have you read her article? What does it conclude?

Mintball wrote: Instead of starting a new thread ... More from those dastardly unions, campaigning on things that help to raise productivity – who do they think they are? I couldn't see anything of substance in that article (other than a headline). Have you read her article? What does it conclude?

Re: What now for the UK? : Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:00 pm  

One snippet:

Independent wrote:

Richard Reid, London chairman for KPMG, said that since the company had introduced it [the living wage], staff turnover had fallen and productivity increased.

Re: What now for the UK? : Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:14 pm  

Mintball wrote:

One snippet:

Independent wrote:

Richard Reid, London chairman for KPMG, said that since the company had introduced it [the living wage], staff turnover had fallen and productivity increased.

Mintball, who did KPMG introduce it for? The Secretaries get alot more than the living wage and I suspect the postroom staff would too. The professional staff are way, way above it (even new recruits). Ditto Goldman Sachs!! In other words, those that have signed up are generally those who were paying it anyway. The exception being the public sector - and you know where they got their money from (and they are now paying with their jobs). All in all, a bit of a non-story.

Re: What now for the UK? : Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:41 pm  

Dally wrote:

Mintball wrote:

One snippet:

Independent wrote:

Richard Reid, London chairman for KPMG, said that since the company had introduced it [the living wage], staff turnover had fallen and productivity increased.

Mintball, who did KPMG introduce it for? The Secretaries get alot more than the living wage and I suspect the postroom staff would too. The professional staff are way, way above it (even new recruits). Ditto Goldman Sachs!! In other words, those that have signed up are generally those who were paying it anyway. The exception being the public sector - and you know where they got their money from (and they are now paying with their jobs). All in all, a bit of a non-story.

Do those you mention do all their own cleaning, cooking etc?

If YOU had bothered to read the article, you may have come across this little snippet:

Alec Stevenson, 48, East London

Works 37.5 hours a week as a kitchen porter for KPMG, earning £8.35 an hour. He has been in catering for more than 15 years and remembers working 17-hour days to make ends meet.

"When I started working, I was paid £5.50 an hour and used to work from 7am until midnight. Having more than £2 extra an hour has motivated me and allowed me to rent a bigger room in a safer area."

Re: What now for the UK? : Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:47 pm  

Oh for goodness sake, Coddy: you expect Dally to actually read things - never mind show a basic comprehension of what he might have read?

Re: What now for the UK? : Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:10 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Oh for goodness sake, Coddy: you expect Dally to actually read things - never mind show a basic comprehension of what he might have read?

Sorry but I blame you for not linking to a Dally Wail story. You might have had to make it all up but it's not something that's stopped them in the past

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:10 am  

Dally wrote:

Mintball wrote:

One snippet:

Independent wrote:

Richard Reid, London chairman for KPMG, said that since the company had introduced it [the living wage], staff turnover had fallen and productivity increased.

Mintball, who did KPMG introduce it for? The Secretaries get alot more than the living wage and I suspect the postroom staff would too. The professional staff are way, way above it (even new recruits). Ditto Goldman Sachs!! In other words, those that have signed up are generally those who were paying it anyway. The exception being the public sector - and you know where they got their money from (and they are now paying with their jobs). All in all, a bit of a non-story.

Just because a company is rated "blue chip" among those who admire the large corporate headquarters and imagine that all is fine and dandy within their walls, it doesn't mean that they won't have a huge number of employees on minimum wages, or that they employ via a third party huge numbers on minimum wage - not every one who works in a blue chip accountants or lawyers is on six figure salaries, or even salaries at all.

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:14 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Dally wrote:

Mintball wrote:

One snippet:

Independent wrote:

Richard Reid, London chairman for KPMG, said that since the company had introduced it [the living wage], staff turnover had fallen and productivity increased.

Mintball, who did KPMG introduce it for? The Secretaries get alot more than the living wage and I suspect the postroom staff would too. The professional staff are way, way above it (even new recruits). Ditto Goldman Sachs!! In other words, those that have signed up are generally those who were paying it anyway. The exception being the public sector - and you know where they got their money from (and they are now paying with their jobs). All in all, a bit of a non-story.

Do those you mention do all their own cleaning, cooking etc?

If YOU had bothered to read the article, you may have come across this little snippet:

Alec Stevenson, 48, East London

Works 37.5 hours a week as a kitchen porter for KPMG, earning £8.35 an hour. He has been in catering for more than 15 years and remembers working 17-hour days to make ends meet.

"When I started working, I was paid £5.50 an hour and used to work from 7am until midnight. Having more than £2 extra an hour has motivated me and allowed me to rent a bigger room in a safer area."

So, about 5 people out of a a workforce of several thousands in the UK! As I said, inconsequential in cost terms to KPMG, Goldman Sachs, et al.

Re: What now for the UK? : Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:18 am  

Dally wrote:

So, about 5 people out of a a workforce of several thousands in the UK! As I said, inconsequential in cost terms to KPMG, Goldman Sachs, et al.

Where do you get "about 5" from?