Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Thu May 07, 2020 8:41 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Nothing to say? No response? Ignoring the unpleasant truth?

Lockdown doesn't apply to you does it? You're somehow 'special' aintcha?

Keep killing people.

Nearly meltdown mode there Flasher's.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Thu May 07, 2020 8:56 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Nearly meltdown mode there Flasher's.

Not a chance, not from the likes of you. Compared to the heavyweights on here (almost all of whom sadly no longer post) you're flapping around blindly in flyweight. Normally I don't particularly notice you (your obsession with me is cute,by the way) but your infantile glee over getting your end away and breaking the law deserves some reaction, if only for the fact you don't seem to care you're contributing to this pandemic and the length of time we all have to stay in lockdown.

Not sure why I'm bothering, big words don't compute, do they.

Keep killing people.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Thu May 07, 2020 9:20 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The "ignore it" comment was because you were telling us things that are fairly obvious to most people that have tried to follow what has been happening and then speculate what mat be happening (or not) in the UK.

I may well be the proverbial drunk at the end of the bar - I only wish that there was one open to be drunk at the end of.

You say that I have ignored the facts and yet, I was right in saying that the UK would surpass Italy, France and Spain in it's death toll - just a lucky guess eh, especially taking account of my ignorance of the facts.
Again, the post that you replied to was having a go at a poster who was happy with our government and Boris's response to all of this and while I agree that they havent got "everything" wrong, they have failed badly on testing, very badly and they havent been great on PPE but, my biggest criticism of the government is their willingness to mislead the general public, fully backed by the majority of the media and blindly hailed by their friends in the press.
I pointed to the pattern which is forming, where Boris, aided by Cummings, is prepared to lie, twist and mislead everyone and I'm sorry, but, it's not good enough and for those that defend their lies, I have no time for them.
Politics has always been about spin but, our current government aren't cute enough to spin things, they'd rather go for telling lies until they are found out, much like Trump appears to do in the states. Coincidence ? I dont think so.

I wasn't replying to that post for any other reason than I expected a more considered response. Perhaps I was wrong to do so.

Ok, so you find those facts and numbers and huge caveats 'obvious' but you still ignore them and rant as though they don't make a difference. They do, they make a big difference. There are a couple of points in there - the large decrease in March of deaths from coronary heart disease being one, the advice to doctors recording deaths being another - that cast enormous doubt on the accuracy of the numbers here. And more facts that demonstrate very clearly why you cannot compare international numbers. And you ignore all of it.

We've been over PPE a million times. Yes, some errors by NHS and HMG but a devastating global perspective to be considered. Testing - do you accept CV19 tests didn't widely exist only a few months ago? That even now there are huge question marks over the accuracy of most of the tests? That millions of tests have been rejected and continue to be rejected all over Europe? Yes, we should have done more testing much earlier - but tell me, where were we supposed to get millions of accurate tests at the drop of a hat in February and the infrastructure to implement testing nationally? I don't disagree with these failures but I disagree there's some form of mass fraud going on - that's where you go into blind rant mode. If you watched the briefing today (do you even bother?) you'd have to agree our policy is clearly being led by SAGE. This isn't Boris and Cummings taking a stab in the dark. Though whether the science turns out to be flawed, we'll see.

And then you somehow conflate your bluster with Trump. It's all very bizarre.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Thu May 07, 2020 9:39 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Not a chance, not from the likes of you. Compared to the heavyweights on here (almost all of whom sadly no longer post) you're flapping around blindly in flyweight. Normally I don't particularly notice you (your obsession with me is cute,by the way) but your infantile glee over getting your end away and breaking the law deserves some reaction, if only for the fact you don't seem to care you're contributing to this pandemic and the length of time we all have to stay in lockdown.

Good analogy.
It only takes a fly to tantalise a little brown trout.
Sorry to shatter your illusions but your hardly in the King Salmon league.

Not sure why I'm bothering, big words don't compute, do they.

I don't mind slinging a few half decent words around now and again.
Suppose I could be a bit more like you and just regurgitate your expert spiel that you spew verbatim on here.
Originality certainly isnt your forte, whatever you may think, deffo more a cut & paste man.

Keep killing people.

You sound more like IR80 every day.
There's only room for one of him on here, thank the Lord.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Thu May 07, 2020 9:54 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

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Not interested.

The only thing you could say of any reasonable interest would be, "I apologise to all the many thousands who've suffered deaths and illnesses in their families during this pandemic, and to those working in the NHS. I was a selfish xxxx, I have no excuse but I am truly sorry for my contribution in spreading this virus."

Until then - keep on killing people.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Thu May 07, 2020 9:59 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Not interested.

The only thing you could say of any reasonable interest would be, "I apologise to all the many thousands who've suffered deaths and illnesses in their families during this pandemic, and to those working in the NHS. I was a selfish xxxx, I have no excuse but I am truly sorry for my contribution in spreading this virus."

Until then - keep on killing people.

Get some sleep mate, and I just might let you come ballroom dancing with me tomorrow.
Sweet dreams.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Thu May 07, 2020 11:13 pm  

One newspaper wrote “it is a shame that the U.K. and USA are currently being run by their current leaders during a time of emergency”. Why make the announcement Sunday night other than to once again avoid scrutiny and look presidential like his mate Trump. I wonder if it will be Johnson who turns up at Parliament on Monday to allow his plan to be debated or will he pass it onto Raab like he did Thursday in order to walk back the false impression he gave during PMQ’s regarding the lockdown ( or whatever he wants to call it) which probably resulted from him panicking and looking for anything to divert attention from the way the virus is being handled.
It would appear that everyday that passes evidence is discovered refuting their lies regarding the preparation for and handling of the pandemic. It is a shame that many may have died unnecessarily because of the Conservatives failings and I hope after this is all over they are able to confront the government, I know it won’t get their family member back but they deserve to know why the virus was contracted and if it could have been avoided with better PPE for example.

[Durham Giant]

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri May 08, 2020 12:45 am  

If anyone fancies a read this is. Timeline bout Britain’s response to Covid whilst taking into account the international situation. Includes details of the government instructing hospitals to discharge covid positive patients into care homes. It is absolutely damining if the government and Boris. All quotes are check able https://appeasement.org/

If anyone fancies a read this is. Timeline bout Britain’s response to Covid whilst taking into account the international situation. Includes details of the government instructing hospitals to discharge covid positive patients into care homes. It is absolutely damining if the government and Boris. All quotes are check able https://appeasement.org/

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri May 08, 2020 6:17 am  

Durham Giant wrote: If anyone fancies a read this is. Timeline bout Britain’s response to Covid whilst taking into account the international situation. Includes details of the government instructing hospitals to discharge covid positive patients into care homes. It is absolutely damining if the government and Boris. All quotes are check able https://appeasement.org/ The Tory apologists will be busy this weekend debunking all that lot. Good job it's a bank holiday weekend and they get three days to do it.

Durham Giant wrote: If anyone fancies a read this is. Timeline bout Britain’s response to Covid whilst taking into account the international situation. Includes details of the government instructing hospitals to discharge covid positive patients into care homes. It is absolutely damining if the government and Boris. All quotes are check able https://appeasement.org/ The Tory apologists will be busy this weekend debunking all that lot. Good job it's a bank holiday weekend and they get three days to do it.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Fri May 08, 2020 9:45 am  

Cronus wrote:

I wasn't replying to that post for any other reason than I expected a more considered response. Perhaps I was wrong to do so.

Ok, so you find those facts and numbers and huge caveats 'obvious' but you still ignore them and rant as though they don't make a difference. They do, they make a big difference. There are a couple of points in there - the large decrease in March of deaths from coronary heart disease being one, the advice to doctors recording deaths being another - that cast enormous doubt on the accuracy of the numbers here. And more facts that demonstrate very clearly why you cannot compare international numbers. And you ignore all of it.

We've been over PPE a million times. Yes, some errors by NHS and HMG but a devastating global perspective to be considered. Testing - do you accept CV19 tests didn't widely exist only a few months ago? That even now there are huge question marks over the accuracy of most of the tests? That millions of tests have been rejected and continue to be rejected all over Europe? Yes, we should have done more testing much earlier - but tell me, where were we supposed to get millions of accurate tests at the drop of a hat in February and the infrastructure to implement testing nationally? I don't disagree with these failures but I disagree there's some form of mass fraud going on - that's where you go into blind rant mode. If you watched the briefing today (do you even bother?) you'd have to agree our policy is clearly being led by SAGE. This isn't Boris and Cummings taking a stab in the dark. Though whether the science turns out to be flawed, we'll see.

And then you somehow conflate your bluster with Trump. It's all very bizarre.

Of course there are huge differences between nations and the way that their population is made up and in particular population density in certain areas and I'm certainly not in denial about that. However, dont you think that by suggesting that you cannot make (any) comparisons between countries, simply lets those with some of the worst figures (The UK) off the hook way too easily.
Yes, there are cases, such as heart disease, that may skew the figures in one direction but, equally and more significantly, there is nothing to explain the HUGE spike in deaths over March and April this year, compared to any of the last 5+ years, which seems to indicate that, despite some deaths being wrongly attributed to Covid19, there are significantly more not being includes in the already huge figure, that perhaps should have been and being one of life's cynics, you then ask who would benefit most from underplaying the numbers. Well, there is only one answer to this question and I'm sure that you too know the answer.
At this point, I return to one of my "favourite" subjects, which is an absolute lack of any trust for the Johnson/Cummings regime.

Policy is being led by sage but, the honesty in translating numbers and the presentation of the "facts" to the public are not. These are being presented by government with a level of "spin" (I dont even know if we should still call it that), something not witnessed in the UK outside of wartime. Propaganda would be a far better word.

Keep watching, because Boris and Cummings aren't going to change, not until they make a fatal error, which will see Cummings, at some point have to depart and hopefully Boris too.