Re: Odds on E.T. shorten : Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:40 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: The latest published research indicates that every star in the galaxy hosts at least one planet. This leads to the stunning conclusion that there are likely to be, just in our Milky Way galaxy alone, 10 billion Earth-sized planets. The likely total number of galaxies in the universe is thought to be up to 500 billion. If so, that means 5000 billion billion Earth-sized planets. Suddenly the suggestion that every single one of those hasn't nor ever had any life on it seems almost ludicrous. Five thousand billion billion Earth-sized planets and we are the only one with life forms? I don't think so. Indeed although don't forget that the size of the planet isn't the only factor. The planet also needs to be in the goldilocks band around that star as well. Now that is a rather small band of space. Those who are now wondering what the hell I am on about i'll explain. Mercury and Venus are to near the sun and therefore to hot, Jupiter and the outer planets are to far away and are therefore to cold, Earth and Mars and in the Goldilocks portion which is just right. Mars was/is too small and its core cooled at which time it lost its magnetic field and then solar winds just blew the atmoshere away. So the planet needs to be a rocky world and big enough so that the liquid metalic core can't become solid(Or so is assumed), it needs to have water and it needs to be in the Goldilocks zone.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: The latest published research indicates that every star in the galaxy hosts at least one planet. This leads to the stunning conclusion that there are likely to be, just in our Milky Way galaxy alone, 10 billion Earth-sized planets. The likely total number of galaxies in the universe is thought to be up to 500 billion. If so, that means 5000 billion billion Earth-sized planets. Suddenly the suggestion that every single one of those hasn't nor ever had any life on it seems almost ludicrous. Five thousand billion billion Earth-sized planets and we are the only one with life forms? I don't think so. Indeed although don't forget that the size of the planet isn't the only factor. The planet also needs to be in the goldilocks band around that star as well. Now that is a rather small band of space. Those who are now wondering what the hell I am on about i'll explain. Mercury and Venus are to near the sun and therefore to hot, Jupiter and the outer planets are to far away and are therefore to cold, Earth and Mars and in the Goldilocks portion which is just right. Mars was/is too small and its core cooled at which time it lost its magnetic field and then solar winds just blew the atmoshere away. So the planet needs to be a rocky world and big enough so that the liquid metalic core can't become solid(Or so is assumed), it needs to have water and it needs to be in the Goldilocks zone.

Re: Odds on E.T. shorten : Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:58 pm  

Deplicate post.

Re: Odds on E.T. shorten : Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:27 pm  

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

Deplicate post.

How far is the e from the u on a keypad?
You must have fingers as big as one of the three bears that are associated with the Goldilocks story.

Re: Odds on E.T. shorten : Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:30 pm  

Stand-Offish wrote:

God created everything in the Universe, there is only one God.
The reason you don't understand yet about other worlds is that God has not revealed it to you yet.
Have faith my son, all will be revealed in the fullness of time.
God is using 'scientists' as a vehicle for your enlightenment, but they don't realise (or at least some of them don't) they are being used by God for this purpose.
They somehow foolishly think they are acting independently, but they are not.
You see God has nothing to fear from Science. God made Science.

I have spoken.

I see now.

So god is making the scientists say all this evolution stuff, but its all wrong because he knows full well that he created everything himself AND planted false evidence as dinosaur bones all over the planet.

He'd be great at playing "Guess Who" at parties,
"Have they got a moustache God ?"
"No"
"I've got none left, I don't know who it is"
"Its Hitler"
"You said he didn't have a moustache"
"Ha Ha, Sucker"

Re: Odds on E.T. shorten : Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:03 am  

McLaren_Field wrote:

If you follow their logic though, and their god did create just this earth and just us in his image then there is only the conclusion that if life does exist on another planet and it doesn't look like us then there must be another god, at least one more but maybe lots more gods, maybe every one of those trillion planets has its own god, protecting its own little planet like kids do marbles in a school playground.

Why does this make me think of Terry Pratchett?

On the other hand if its all true and there is but one god and he made all of this for us then let us nail his son to a tree just for effect, then why did he bother with such a complicated universe when clearly he has no more use for it than to provide us with something nice to look at on clear nights - he could just as easily have hung all of those twinkling lights in the sky and not bother with orbits and other solar systems, just hang fairy lights above the atmosphere like decorating a christmas tree.

Because it can. Simple as that.

Re: Odds on E.T. shorten : Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:03 am  

McLaren_Field wrote:

I see now.

So god is making the scientists say all this evolution stuff, but its all wrong because he knows full well that he created everything himself AND planted false evidence as dinosaur bones all over the planet.

He'd be great at playing "Guess Who" at parties,
"Have they got a moustache God ?"
"No"
"I've got none left, I don't know who it is"
"Its Hitler"
"You said he didn't have a moustache"
"Ha Ha, Sucker"

Yes you have got it.
God has a sense of humour.
After all, he created it.
He's not going to make it too easy for his 'scientists'. There would be no fun in that. He is testing them, at the same time as they try to test him.
But he is the daddy.
He created mystery to give 'scientists' a reason to exist.
But at the same time he is testing their faith in him. There will be retribution for those that can't give an adequate reason to doubt him.

I have spoken .......again.

Re: Odds on E.T. shorten : Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:01 am  

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

Indeed although don't forget that the size of the planet isn't the only factor.
The planet also needs to be in the goldilocks band around that star as well.
Now that is a rather small band of space.

Those who are now wondering what the hell I am on about i'll explain.

Mercury and Venus are to near the sun and therefore to hot, Jupiter and the outer planets are to far away and are therefore to cold, Earth and Mars and in the Goldilocks portion which is just right.
Mars was/is too small and its core cooled at which time it lost its magnetic field and then solar winds just blew the atmoshere away.

So the planet needs to be a rocky world and big enough so that the liquid metalic core can't become solid(Or so is assumed), it needs to have water and it needs to be in the Goldilocks zone.

Disagree. Unless you were talking about life forms contemporaneous with us. A planet might now be outside the Goldilocks zone, but may have been in it in the dim and distant past; or else may be within it at some future point.

So, for example, when the Sun expands into a red giant, it is possible that the Earth will end up within the inner limits of the zone, because the zone itself will move.

Then there is the possibility of a planet too close to a star to on the face of it support life, but tidally locked (like the moon) so the same face always turns towards the sun; one side always too hot; dark side way too cold; but may be plenty of scope for life around the twilight zone.

To prove life elsewhere, it doesn't have to be there now. It would be enough to find proof of extinct life elsewhere, eg on Mars.

Re: Odds on E.T. shorten : Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:02 am  

Stand-Offish wrote:

Yes you have got it.
God has a sense of humour.
After all, he created it.
He's not going to make it too easy for his 'scientists'. There would be no fun in that. He is testing them, at the same time as they try to test him.
But he is the daddy.
He created mystery to give 'scientists' a reason to exist.
But at the same time he is testing their faith in him. There will be retribution for those that can't give an adequate reason to doubt him.

I have spoken .......again.

God : "Ah-ha, so Mr Scientist, you finally died and want to come into heaven ?"
Scientist : "Yes please God"
God : "But you didn't believe in me, you spent all your life trying to dis-prove me"
Scientist : "Ah, well, I can explain all that..."
God : "I gave you an inquisitive mind and you spent all your time telling people how I didn't make the world all by myself"
Scientist : "Well you have to admit God, its a bit far fetched"
God : "I gave you a reason to exist, gave you an inquisitive mind and still you deny my existence"
Scientist : "...and the dinosaurs ?"
God : "Fook off, I'm not talking about the dinosaurs"
Scientist : "But were they a red herring ?"
God : "And I'm not talking about the red herrings either, they were a mistake, wrong colour"
Scientist : "So you gave us inquisitive minds, made us in your image, made us doubt you, but its our fault that we questioned you ?"
God : "You're not coming in..."
Scientist : "What a barstard"
God : "...ever"

Re: Odds on E.T. shorten : Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:47 am  

McLaren_Field wrote:

God : "Ah-ha, so Mr Scientist, you finally died and want to come into heaven ?"
Scientist : "Yes please God"
God : "But you didn't believe in me, you spent all your life trying to dis-prove me"
Scientist : "Ah, well, I can explain all that..."
God : "I gave you an inquisitive mind and you spent all your time telling people how I didn't make the world all by myself"
Scientist : "Well you have to admit God, its a bit far fetched"
God : "I gave you a reason to exist, gave you an inquisitive mind and still you deny my existence"
Scientist : "...and the dinosaurs ?"
God : "Fook off, I'm not talking about the dinosaurs"
Scientist : "But were they a red herring ?"
God : "And I'm not talking about the red herrings either, they were a mistake, wrong colour"
Scientist : "So you gave us inquisitive minds, made us in your image, made us doubt you, but its our fault that we questioned you ?"
God : "You're not coming in..."
Scientist : "What a barstard"
God : "...ever"

Are you are getting a feel for how easy it is too argue the case on God's side?
It's pimps!
God made logic for Man, but he kept a special kind of logic for himself in a cookie jar, and you're not having any.

Re: Odds on E.T. shorten : Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:32 am  

Stand-Offish wrote:

:lol:
Are you are getting a feel for how easy it is too argue the case on God's side?
It's pimps!
God made logic for Man, but he kept a special kind of logic for himself in a cookie jar, and you're not having any.

TBH It's pretty easy to argue the case for or against the existence of God, the impossible part is winning the argument with someone who's already made up their mind.