Re: Coalition to break? : Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:41 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Please come back when you can actually argue a point through, rather than simply chosing to ignore it.

./must try harder.

I don't recognise your revisionist version of the facts, you have no point, you have no argument.

Re: Coalition to break? : Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:41 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

A Labour ministers own words, on leaving the Exchequer.......

"Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards - and good luck! Liam."

Q.E.D.

That's the best you can come up with?

Given your previous on this and other threads where you've had your arse handed to you on a plate, I suppose it is the best you could come up with.

No chance of any facts, figures etc I suppose?

Re: Coalition to break? : Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:01 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

It was spent trying to dig your banker friends out of the mess they got themselves in, best you do some more reading before making a complete t!t of yourself.

What banker friends?

Re: Coalition to break? : Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:03 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

That's the best you can come up with?

Given your previous on this and other threads where you've had your arse handed to you on a plate, I suppose it is the best you could come up with.

No chance of any facts, figures etc I suppose?

No no no Coddy.............

Having a mass consensus of left wingers who shout people down behind their keyboards does not constitute them being "handed their arses on a plate"....

Re: Coalition to break? : Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:05 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

I don't recognise your revisionist version of the facts, you have no point, you have no argument.

Well, I have lived through the recession around 1990-1994 (at least that's when I felt it the most), and lived through the "boom years" 2000-2009.

It's a very simple point that requires no statistics.

It's much easier to balance the books in times of boom than it is in times of bust.

Re: Coalition to break? : Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:06 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

No no no Coddy.............

Having a mass consensus of left wingers who shout people down behind their keyboards does not constitute them being "handed their arses on a plate"....

So you've no facts or figures then, just as I thought.

Re: Coalition to break? : Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:26 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Well, I have lived through the recession around 1990-1994 (at least that's when I felt it the most), and lived through the "boom years" 2000-2009.

It's a very simple point that requires no statistics.

Quite obviously you don't require any statistics to argue your bollax, we can all see that quite clearly.

What happened 95-97, you've lost three years off your last "statistics".

Oh, and '90 has been added now, so the previous Tory administration had us in recession from 1990 to 1997 - I can see now why the current incumbants seem to think that we've seen nothing yet.

[DaveO]

Re: Coalition to break? : Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:39 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote: Utter tripe. Labour were in power at the crest of an economic upside, 1991-97 was one of the worst post war recessions. You really, really ought to do a bit of research before making yourself look a complete twit. Here is a list of recessions in the UK since 1900: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_Kingdom As you can see the recession in the 90's lasted a total of 5 quarters in the years 1990-1992. That is 1 1/4 years not 6 years! What that means is - if you look at that graph I posted is that the Tories ran a deficit when we were not in recession for about 4 1/2 years. So you do not have a point at all as they ran large deficits on an economic upside as well. Then again I suppose you could be trying to excuse the Tory deficit of the 90's as spending their way out of recession (we were no longer in!) but that can't be right or you would be calling for the same thing now wouldn't you instead of harping on about paying off the "credit card bill"? What is also interesting about the list of recessions table is the "causes" column. Both the 1990-1992 recessions and the 2008-2009 recessions were caused by external factors. US savings and loan collapse in 1990-1992 and the financial crisis in 2008. In both cases the recessions lasted 1 1/4 years. The causes of the latest recession are Fiscal retrenchment and the Euro crisis which means it is at least partly "Made in Britain" by the current government trying to pay off the "credit card bill" as you simplistically call it too quickly. It is also the first double dip recession since 1975. So it seems to me in your attempt to excuse what went on in the 1990's you are arguing against current government policy. You seem a tad confused.

XBrettKennyX wrote: Utter tripe. Labour were in power at the crest of an economic upside, 1991-97 was one of the worst post war recessions. You really, really ought to do a bit of research before making yourself look a complete twit. Here is a list of recessions in the UK since 1900: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_Kingdom As you can see the recession in the 90's lasted a total of 5 quarters in the years 1990-1992. That is 1 1/4 years not 6 years! What that means is - if you look at that graph I posted is that the Tories ran a deficit when we were not in recession for about 4 1/2 years. So you do not have a point at all as they ran large deficits on an economic upside as well. Then again I suppose you could be trying to excuse the Tory deficit of the 90's as spending their way out of recession (we were no longer in!) but that can't be right or you would be calling for the same thing now wouldn't you instead of harping on about paying off the "credit card bill"? What is also interesting about the list of recessions table is the "causes" column. Both the 1990-1992 recessions and the 2008-2009 recessions were caused by external factors. US savings and loan collapse in 1990-1992 and the financial crisis in 2008. In both cases the recessions lasted 1 1/4 years. The causes of the latest recession are Fiscal retrenchment and the Euro crisis which means it is at least partly "Made in Britain" by the current government trying to pay off the "credit card bill" as you simplistically call it too quickly. It is also the first double dip recession since 1975. So it seems to me in your attempt to excuse what went on in the 1990's you are arguing against current government policy. You seem a tad confused.

Re: Coalition to break? : Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:50 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Before the financial crisis of 2008 Labour ran a[b] deficit for 6 years which totaled £201029bn.[/b] The Tories ran a deficit for the last 6 years of their last government up to 1997 totaling £222788bn. They had a bigger "credit card bill" than Labour.

I am convinced your "facts" are wrong.

Re: Coalition to break? : Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:53 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Well, I have lived through the recession around 1990-1994 (at least that's when I felt it the most), and lived through the "boom years" 2000-2009.

It's a very simple point that requires no statistics.

It's much easier to balance the books in times of boom than it is in times of bust.

Quit while you still have some dignity left.