Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day : Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:17 pm  

cod'ead wrote: Top of my list would be Dennis Skinner. A miner's son who passed his scholarship to the grammar school and still went down the pit because that's where all his mates were. Anything else you need to know is HERE If only we had more like him Good call. I met Pat Wall and Dave Nellist at a conference once and these guy's were of the same mould, only interested in serving and not accumulate money, unlike todays crop of 'socialist' parliamentarians.

cod'ead wrote: Top of my list would be Dennis Skinner. A miner's son who passed his scholarship to the grammar school and still went down the pit because that's where all his mates were. Anything else you need to know is HERE If only we had more like him Good call. I met Pat Wall and Dave Nellist at a conference once and these guy's were of the same mould, only interested in serving and not accumulate money, unlike todays crop of 'socialist' parliamentarians.

Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day : Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:47 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

This will probably earn me some flak, but my ultimate hero is Jesus Christ.

He came to Earth, lived a sinless life and taught us invaluable moral lessons.

But most importantly he was responsible for the most heroic gesture one could imagine – he laid down his own life so that we might live. He was lashed, beaten and humiliated. He was made to carry the instrument of his death through the streets of Jerusalem whilst men and women spat horrendous abuse at him. He was then nailed to a cross and taunted by his tormentors. He suffered in this fashion for several hours before eventually succumbing to death.

And what did he say whilst he was being murdered? “Father, forgive them”.

Jesus may not have played the guitar well, acted in a few good films or have flown into space. But he had more courage than the rest of this sorry list of suggestions put together.

I know a film is not always an accurate portrayal of facts, but I liked the bit at the end when they sang 'always look on the bright side of life'

Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day : Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:34 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

...and the thing is he was just "ordinary", he wasn't a big tough lad, quite the opposite really but what was important to him in those last few weeks was taking a trip into the dales to have dinner in a pub with his wife, having just two more nights out with us, going to Elland Rd one more time, and he couldn't have enjoyed any of that being filled full of chemicals in the hope that it would buy him one more week of being filled full of chemicals and feeling like crap.

As someone else has mentioned you can find that sort of heroism in many people with terminal diagnosis, I know my own mother wouldn't ever talk about the cancer that eventually killed her, didn't let it stop her doing anything until the very last week, you often wonder how you would cope but it would appear that its a common thread through many lives.

Same here, which is what made it terminal by the time it was caught. She went for the chemo option and had a reasonable quality of life until the last month, but never complained about her lot. She mentioned the pain, but not moaning. I guess people affected like that just try to get on with things, which is pretty heroic really.

Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day : Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:35 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

great list MB ...

Thanks!

sanjunien wrote:

... though somewhat on the heavy side with Nietzche and Marx maybe ? You're obviously a deep thinker and a philosophical soul ...

Well, one tries ...

sanjunien wrote:

... so try some Shostakovich, Prokofiev & Hindemith et al to challenge and stretch your grey matter a tad more !

Now Shostakovich and Prokofiev I have listened to and like. It was Prokofiev's Lt Kije that introduced me to classical music in my third year at school. I went on to do O and A level. Just listening to the first piano concerto while I'm cooking this evening's meal. I'll look up Hindemith.

sanjunien wrote:

... My dear old ma in law came into a room a couple of years ago and I was lestening to Shost no.7 (Leningrad) and she, being a lover of 'light' music ie Elaine Page, Michael Boulton & Sinatra etc (and good luck to her) yelled out ' what's that bloody rubbish ?' so I asked her what it sounded like and she replied 'it sounds like an army marching towards a battle' - indeed, it was the German army approaching Leningrad - just how clever was dear old Shost ? not a 'hero' of mine but a person that has my respect..

Nice one.

Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day : Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:25 pm  

kirkstaller wrote: This will probably earn me some flak, but my ultimate hero is Jesus Christ. He came to Earth, lived a sinless life and taught us invaluable moral lessons. But most importantly he was responsible for the most heroic gesture one could imagine – he laid down his own life so that we might live. He was lashed, beaten and humiliated. He was made to carry the instrument of his death through the streets of Jerusalem whilst men and women spat horrendous abuse at him. He was then nailed to a cross and taunted by his tormentors. He suffered in this fashion for several hours before eventually succumbing to death. And what did he say whilst he was being murdered? “Father, forgive them”. Jesus may not have played the guitar well, acted in a few good films or have flown into space. But he had more courage than the rest of this sorry list of suggestions put together. Read this ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Crean_(explorer) And then come back and tell me why it's a sorry suggestion.

kirkstaller wrote: This will probably earn me some flak, but my ultimate hero is Jesus Christ. He came to Earth, lived a sinless life and taught us invaluable moral lessons. But most importantly he was responsible for the most heroic gesture one could imagine – he laid down his own life so that we might live. He was lashed, beaten and humiliated. He was made to carry the instrument of his death through the streets of Jerusalem whilst men and women spat horrendous abuse at him. He was then nailed to a cross and taunted by his tormentors. He suffered in this fashion for several hours before eventually succumbing to death. And what did he say whilst he was being murdered? “Father, forgive them”. Jesus may not have played the guitar well, acted in a few good films or have flown into space. But he had more courage than the rest of this sorry list of suggestions put together. Read this ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Crean_(explorer) And then come back and tell me why it's a sorry suggestion.

Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day : Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:10 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

This will probably earn me some flak, but my ultimate hero is Jesus Christ.

He came to Earth, lived a sinless life and taught us invaluable moral lessons.

But most importantly he was responsible for the most heroic gesture one could imagine – he laid down his own life so that we might live. He was lashed, beaten and humiliated. He was made to carry the instrument of his death through the streets of Jerusalem whilst men and women spat horrendous abuse at him. He was then nailed to a cross and taunted by his tormentors. He suffered in this fashion for several hours before eventually succumbing to death.

And what did he say whilst he was being murdered? “Father, forgive them”.

Prove it.



Jesus may not have played the guitar well, acted in a few good films or have
flown into space. But he had more courage than the rest of this sorry list of suggestions put together.

You're such a self righteous friend it's unreal, another thread ruined while you preach.

Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day : Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:43 pm  

Jacques Yves Cousteau.

Henri Germain Delauze.

Sir Edmund Hillary/ Tenzing Norgay.

Gerald Genta.

Abraham Louis Breguet.

François Paul Journe.

And again as cheesy as it sounds, my father. Although the fact he died when I was only fourteen, probably play's a large part in why I idolise him as I do.

Those are the one's I've narrowed it down to as the most inspirational to me. Mainly because of what they've achieved in their chosen field.

Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day : Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:43 pm  

No. We are NOT having another thread taken over by your proselytising. Mintball

Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day : Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:47 pm  

El Barbudo wrote: Read this ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Crean_(explorer) And then come back and tell me why it's a sorry suggestion. A distinguished career. Not a patch on Oates though.

El Barbudo wrote: Read this ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Crean_(explorer) And then come back and tell me why it's a sorry suggestion. A distinguished career. Not a patch on Oates though.

Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day : Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:00 pm  

I have tended to find that my heroes ended up to be a disappointment, either in the flesh or having read something about them that tarnished my view of them. As such, I tend to look for an Anti-hero type, Dennis Skinner, Dirty Harry sort of character. atm, my 2 interests are;

1/ That Iranian puppet, who likes nothing better than threatening to wipe out Israel, and flying to the UN in New York for his annual rant. ( Gaddafi was always up for a good rant.)

2/ Kim Jong 2 (rip), a pioneer against global warming, before it even became fashionable. Ever seen a night-time photo of North Korea? Exactly, total darkness. Every other country has electricity running at full blast. Saving the planet, bloke should have won a Nobel prize years ago.