Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:22 pm  

Him wrote:

To not have been such a b&stard in the first place.

He's apologised - twice, he was wrong he admitted that, everyone makes mistakes, his was irresponsible, it just seems ridiculous to focus on this rather than the absolutely disgusting things done by the authorities.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:36 pm  

christopher wrote:

He's apologised - twice, he was wrong he admitted that, everyone makes mistakes, his was irresponsible, it just seems ridiculous to focus on this rather than the absolutely disgusting things done by the authorities.

I don't think anyone is focussing on it, just because it's not the most important area doesn't mean it should be ignored. Partly because it's a nod towards what Mintball and Jerry were saying re class warfare.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:44 pm  

Him wrote:

I don't think anyone is focussing on it, just because it's not the most important area doesn't mean it should be ignored. Partly because it's a nod towards what Mintball and Jerry were saying re class warfare.

But there are a lot of 'working class' people that held the same view about Liverpool as a city, and also the same about the Liverpool fans at hillsborough.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:55 pm  

I was at Hillsborough, as I was the previous year. The previous year, fans were checked for tickets at the top of Leppings Lane by the police, if you did not have a ticket, you were not allowed past. The following year, there was no ticketing checks.

Whilst welcoming the panel's verdict, a few things do not sit pretty with me.
1/ The media response. A lot in the media have come onto various phone-ins in the last 24 hours, saying they knew the truth about Hillsborough. Well why did it keep it quiet and leave it to the families, 2 politicians and Brian Reade?
2/ Unfortunately, the feelings of some LFC fans there that day. I too find it sad and distressing, but don't call yourself survivors. Like me, you were lucky, as I was at Heysel aswell.
3/ What are the accounts of Bernard Ingram, Douglas Hurd and Thatcher? What were their conversions with South Yorkshire police? imo, Thatcher was backing the police as a thank you for their support during the miners' strike 5 years earlier.
4/ The cheap apologies ( except Camerons) from SWFC, the police etc. Why has it taken you 23 years to do so? Was you told to apologise?
5/ The sun's headline today.. Not acceptable. " WE LIED." would have been more suitable.

as for Kelvin MacKenzie Murdoch's puppet and yes man.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:00 pm  

Dally wrote:

If you go back further, you could say that hooliganism came from 1960s liberalism.

Which was why the word 'hooligan' was derived from a 19th century music hall song – in the 19th century.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:02 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Which was why the word 'hooligan' was derived from a 19th century music hall song – in the 19th century.

Contect my dear, context.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:02 pm  

ROBINSON wrote:

Similarly, if 96 policemen had died, or even a tenth of that figure, you can bet your life that heads would have rolled within days.

Absolutely. A very good analogy.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:12 pm  

christopher wrote:

But there are a lot of 'working class' people that held the same view about Liverpool as a city, and also the same about the Liverpool fans at hillsborough.

Perhaps (in part at least) because they have been fed a series of lies by by a supposedly working-class paper?

I'd point out that Murdoch can claim until the cows come home that he hates 'elitism' and has set out to destroy that, but Murdoch loves being part of the Establishment. You only need to see his recent behaviour re the Harry pictures to see that he behaves like a spoilt brat having a tantrum when anyone comes close to criticising him.

Why do working-class people read a paper that is ultimately against their own interests?

You might as well also ask why any woman ever reads the Daily Mail, a paper that is hellbent on exploiting women's biggest fears about self-image and encouraging a sense of self loathing.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:15 pm  

Dally wrote:

Contect my dear, context.

X cannot have been produced by a decade that occurred nearly a century after the word X was coined to describe X.

[John_D]

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:28 pm  

Something about the politicisation of it all

Something about the politicisation of it all