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Re: George Osbourne should have been a "pleb" : Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:11 pm  
I hope you don't get too cold and damp under that bridge, samwire.
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Re: George Osbourne should have been a "pleb" : Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:13 pm  
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... in labour's recession (that was nothing to do with them obviously) ...


Ah. Silly little troll 'thinks' his inability/decision not to pick up on properly-supported arguments isn't spotted by anyone else.

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Re: George Osbourne should have been a "pleb" : Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:17 pm  
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your use of the word 'probably' carries about as much weight as 'a bloke in the pub told me player x is signing for team y'...

the level of privatisation of the nhs, police and education would be exactly the same as it is now.

as for unemployment, in labour's recession (that was nothing to do with them obviously) it jumped 25% ish, in the tories recession (which is most certainly their fault) it's stayed pretty static, perhaps up slightly, but now falling (although they're clearly fudging the figures, probably even shooting claimants).

the burden clearly doesn't fall fairly as according to a bbc article;

so, lets have some numbers, how much should the top 1% pay and the bottom 50% while we're at it.


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Re: George Osbourne should have been a "pleb" : Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:27 pm  
Oh, another one of the under-the-bridge dwellers has emerged (briefly).

Love it!

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Re: George Osbourne should have been a "pleb" : Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:40 pm  
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Ah. Silly little troll 'thinks' his inability/decision not to pick up on properly-supported arguments isn't spotted by anyone else.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


ah, the default 'must call names' post. good show.
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Re: George Osbourne should have been a "pleb" : Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:44 pm  
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Re: George Osbourne should have been a "pleb" : Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:45 pm  
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nyway, they'll be a thing of the past soon when the home insulation army arrive.


You are so on the spectrum...
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Re: George Osbourne should have been a "pleb" : Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:08 pm  
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You are so on the spectrum...


Makes me look sane. :wink:
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Re: George Osbourne should have been a "pleb" : Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:59 pm  
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your use of the word 'probably' carries about as much weight as 'a bloke in the pub told me player x is signing for team y'...

the level of privatisation of the nhs, police and education would be exactly the same as it is now.

as for unemployment, in labour's recession (that was nothing to do with them obviously) it jumped 25% ish, in the tories recession (which is most certainly their fault) it's stayed pretty static, perhaps up slightly, but now falling (although they're clearly fudging the figures, probably even shooting claimants).

the burden clearly doesn't fall fairly as according to a bbc article;

so, lets have some numbers, how much should the top 1% pay and the bottom 50% while we're at it.

I'm sorry, are you suggesting I should have stated definitively about a hypothetical, fictional scenario?

No. The level of privatisation would be lower. Since there would have been no free schools, no NHS commissioning groups and no outsourcing of core police activities to that flagship of the private sector that is G4S.

Labour's recession? Interesting. What did Labour do to bring down Lehmann Brothers?
As for unemployment, it jumped in 2008. You know, when the worlds banks collapsed. It was actually coming down slightly when the Tories took office. Then it went up by around 300,000. Not as a result of an economic collapse across the world, but as a result of Tory government policies which, as I said, affected the poorer areas the hardest.

How much of UK income do the top 1% receive? How much of UK wealth do the top 1% own? Have you factored in the regressive nature of other taxes such as VAT? Have you factored in the regressive nature of costs such as energy, food and water etc?
When you do those things I reckon the quarter of income tax they pay is a little generous.

But, like the other right-wing Tory apologists on this thread, nice attempt to deviate from your Tory Chancellor making a fool of himself on a train.

Maybe you should co-ordinate better with The Video Ref and Ajw. Then you all wouldn't look as idiotic as your Chancellor by quoting a Thatcher think-tank and tax figures that only back up how rich the top 1% are. I'm sure Ajw can find some polls you can use, only if they're on Wikipedia, mind.

Oh and a nice little poll just for Ajw - the latest polling average puts the Tories 10 points down.
But even that won't deviate the thread away from what an idiot Osborne made of himself on a train.
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Re: George Osbourne should have been a "pleb" : Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:17 pm  
like the other right-wing Tory apologists on this thread, nice attempt to deviate from your Tory Chancellor making a fool of himself on a train


I'm neither a Tory apologist or trying to deviate, with me what i hate about people who are partisan supporters of any party are the fact they can point to a million and one facts on why their party and their politics are so good and act like little children going 'ner na ner na ner ner' when every an opposite party does even the most minor indiscretion or something they perceive as wrong, it's turned me away from politics big time, i used to love watching PMQ's years ago, now i just find it puerile guff, it's counter productive nonsense.

All parties working against each other through day to day life just to get one up on the other.

If one party has a policy and the other party actually believe in it, stand up, applaud the Government and actually go, 'ok we'll give you that one, it's a good one' rather than lambast in public and support in private.

My point is, regardless of the guys wealth, the place he was educated, his stature in Government we are all human, we all make mistakes ALL OF US, every single one of the billions of people that have lived or ever lived made a mistake.

FFS i don't want politicians talking about someone calling someone a pleb or someone in wrong class on a train, i want then to knuckle down and do someone worth while and act like an adult while they do it.
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