Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:28 pm  

Mintball wrote:

But what do you think was factually inaccurate about the cartoon – anything?

Netanyahu has never laid a brick in his life?

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:48 pm  

Standee wrote:

I don't know, because like you I am not actually in posession of the facts of the situation in Israel/Palestine, I just get jaundiced opinion pieces from all sides.

Okay, accepting that (for the sake of the discussion) what do you find distasteful about it?

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:49 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Okay, accepting that (for the sake of the discussion) what do you find distasteful about it?

It's unnecessary to show the bodies of people being used to build walls, no matter what metaphor the "artist" was trying to convey.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:49 pm  

Standee wrote:

I don't know, because like you I am not actually in posession of the facts of the situation in Israel/Palestine, I just get jaundiced opinion pieces from all sides.

So you are unable to say whether or not the piece is accurate, but you still find it to be 'in bad taste'? That's a little odd.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:53 pm  

Standee wrote:

It's unnecessary to show the bodies of people being used to build walls, no matter what metaphor the "artist" was trying to convey.

He's trying to show that Netanyahu is a murderer, making reference to the illegal building projects in the West Bank and the phrase 'cementing peace'. Can you think of a better way of conveying this in a cartoon, because I'm struggling a bit.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:53 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

So you are unable to say whether or not the piece is accurate, but you still find it to be 'in bad taste'? That's a little odd.

Odd, in your opinion, which is only the same as it being distasteful in mine.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:54 pm  

Kosh wrote:

Really? I listen to a fair amount of R4 and haven't heard that at all. And the guests on last night's Beyond Belief were at some pains to separate Jewishness in general from Israel and/or Zionism.

In any case it would be somewhat ironic for Jews living outside Israel to claim that Zionism is fundamental to their faith. If it were that fundamental they'd have returned to Israel as requested.

I didn't catch Beyond Belief last night but weren't the guests non-Israelis?
You see, I was specifically talking about Israeli voices (mostly on the Today programme over the last few recent years).

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:02 pm  

Standee wrote:

... I don't really care, it was in very poor taste.

Maybe a nice pretty picture would have been better to depict the horror, despair and sheer inhumanity.
Did you find Guernica in poor taste too?

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:02 pm  

Standee wrote:

Odd, in your opinion, which is only the same as it being distasteful in mine.

I'm not really sure what you expect from a political cartoon. They're designed to make a point. If you want something a little less hard-hitting, I think The Beano is still being published. Personally, I find illegal occupation far more distasteful that some cartoon drawings of dead people.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:07 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

I'm not really sure what you expect from a political cartoon. They're designed to make a point. If you want something a little less hard-hitting, I think The Beano is still being published. Personally, I find illegal occupation far more distasteful that some cartoon drawings of dead people.

Shall we go for the desanitised version of murdered children in Palestine?