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Re: Have you all got a hi-vis vest? : Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:46 am  
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I didn't both changing those before posting as I (clearly mis) judged that only an imbecile would not realise they were errors of the fingers on the keyboard, rather than the spelling errors of the pompous.

Ah, I get it, you are allowed to leave your errors uncorrected but others are not because they are pompous.
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Re: Have you all got a hi-vis vest? : Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:03 am  
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... Blame the victims, that's what I say


The number of cyclists I've known do that when excusing their own law-breaking decision to cycle on the pavement is quite extraordinary too.

'It's your fault for wearing headphones!' is one such example.

'I rang my bell – you had the chance to get out of the way' is another.

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Re: Have you all got a hi-vis vest? : Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:09 am  
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The number of cyclists I've known do that when excusing their own law-breaking decision to cycle on the pavement is quite extraordinary too.

'It's your fault for wearing headphones!' is one such example.

'I rang my bell – you had the chance to get out of the way' is another.

:)


Don't get me started on them, riding 3 side by side "because it's Sunday and this is a quiet road", and why the hell they are allowed to use by-passes for time trials is quite beyond me, maybe I should try riding a horse down a by-pass and see what plod has to say about that.
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Re: Have you all got a hi-vis vest? : Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:46 am  
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Don't get me started on them, riding 3 side by side "because it's Sunday and this is a quiet road", and why the hell they are allowed to use by-passes for time trials is quite beyond me, maybe I should try riding a horse down a by-pass and see what plod has to say about that.


Those nice bloke cyclists - they're no better than the nazis.
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Re: Have you all got a hi-vis vest? : Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:51 am  
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Those nice bloke cyclists - they're no better than the nazis.


some of them are fine, similarly motorcyclists, but some are complete morons.
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Re: Have you all got a hi-vis vest? : Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:00 am  
knockersbumpMKII wrote:
As an avid cyclist I won't wear it, not because I'm stubborn but because by wearing it (as many seem to do) it panders to the idea that vulnerable road users have to be all glowing with an assortment of colours so that the poor motorist who bombs along in a ton plus of metal (proven to kill and maim in the tens of thousands every year) can get to where they are going a few seconds/minutes quicker.


I'd pay attention to Mike O'Day's epitaph if I were you.

You don't live in Chester by any chance do you? I was setting off somewhere the other day in very dull conditions and an obviously servious cyclist in equally dull clothing was coming along the street. I had to do a double take to register him coming along. Making it hard for yourself to be seen in bad conditions is crazy.

it's the motors that do pretty much all the damage to life so they should be taking the greatest portion of care by far, in most Western European countries they have 'Strict Liability' laws, that assumes that the fault is with that at the top the tree (the motor vehcle) unless proven otherwise (in its simplest terms). This pushes the onus for road safety massively on the metal box drivers as it rightly should be


That is really going to work here with our ambulance chasing legal culture. If you think people falsely claiming for whiplash after the merest tap of a contact between two cars has got out of hand imagine where we would be with the unscrupulous "cyclists" bouncing themselves off cars at every junction!
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Re: Have you all got a hi-vis vest? : Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:25 am  
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As an avid cyclist I won't wear it, not because I'm stubborn but because by wearing it (as many seem to do) it panders to the idea that vulnerable road users have to be all glowing with an assortment of colours so that the poor motorist who bombs along in a ton plus of metal (proven to kill and maim in the tens of thousands every year) can get to where they are going a few seconds/minutes quicker.


The car is king in this country and the attitude of many motorists reflects that; the spluttering outrage of some people when they're forced to alter their driving for a few seconds to avoid killing me is a sight to behold - it would be funny if it wan't scary.

I take the same approach as you to hi-viz by the way, coupled with an assertive road position - I refuse to ride in the gutter and very rarely use what are laughably described as 'cycle lanes,' both of which encourage drivers to overtake when it's not safe and promote the idea that I'm an inconvenience.
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Re: Have you all got a hi-vis vest? : Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:26 pm  
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I take the same approach as you to hi-viz by the way, coupled with an assertive road position - I refuse to ride in the gutter and very rarely use what are laughably described as 'cycle lanes,' both of which encourage drivers to overtake when it's not safe and promote the idea that I'm an inconvenience.

I'm sure your next of kin will mount a moving tribute to your principled stand at your funeral.
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Re: Have you all got a hi-vis vest? : Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:01 pm  
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I'm sure your next of kin will mount a moving tribute to your principled stand at your funeral.


You misunderstand.

This has nothing to do with principles and everything to do with common sense; riding in the gutter or in a litter-strewn cycle lane is more dangerous than taking up a proper road position with all the other traffic.
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Re: Have you all got a hi-vis vest? : Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:28 pm  
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some of them are fine, similarly motorcyclists, but some are complete morons.


Same with motorists.
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