Re: Egypt, what is going to happen?! : Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:06 pm  

Mintball wrote: You've all got it wrong: it's capitalism, not democracy, that Egypt needs now. And while I haven't seen any evidence either way suggesting the army was behind the protests, surely democracy is about the people deciding, and if a "democratically-elected" president goes off the deep-end as Morsi appears to have done, surely it's still democratic for the people to say enough is enough and go on the march again? I may be misinterpreting it and tbh I haven't read up a great deal but although the army are clearly benefitting, are they not just supporting the new popular uprising?

Mintball wrote: You've all got it wrong: it's capitalism, not democracy, that Egypt needs now. And while I haven't seen any evidence either way suggesting the army was behind the protests, surely democracy is about the people deciding, and if a "democratically-elected" president goes off the deep-end as Morsi appears to have done, surely it's still democratic for the people to say enough is enough and go on the march again? I may be misinterpreting it and tbh I haven't read up a great deal but although the army are clearly benefitting, are they not just supporting the new popular uprising?

Re: Egypt, what is going to happen?! : Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:39 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

And while I haven't seen any evidence either way suggesting the army was behind the protests, surely democracy is about the people deciding, and if a "democratically-elected" president goes off the deep-end as Morsi appears to have done, surely it's still democratic for the people to say enough is enough and go on the march again?

I may be misinterpreting it and tbh I haven't read up a great deal but although the army are clearly benefitting, are they not just supporting the new popular uprising?

TBH, I haven't been reading that much on it either. But it struck me that this analysis, if nothing else, tells us that the Telegraph – or at least this writer – appears to conclude that capitalism is not the same as democracy. Which sounds very different from all the old Cold War rhetoric.

Not only that, but the really important thing is private property ownership, without which you have chaos and terror and violence. Just like in the UK before the entire right-to-buy push in the 1980s.

It also ignores things such as the oil and even tourist industries in Egypt, which rather seem organised as capitalist industries on the basis of what I understand of them.

Re: Egypt, what is going to happen?! : Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:04 pm  

Now the Army are gunning people down the pro-democracy protesters in the street. Oh dear.

Re: Egypt, what is going to happen?! : Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:42 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Now the Army are gunning people down the pro-democracy protesters in the street. Oh dear.

Unfortunately that's what happens when you advance/storm on places where the army are.

Re: Egypt, what is going to happen?! : Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:53 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

Unfortunately that's what happens when you advance/storm on places where the army are.

Doesn't justify killing innocent demonstrators. There are many ways to quell a protest, indiscriminately firing into a group of people isn't the way to do it.

Re: Egypt, what is going to happen?! : Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:35 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Doesn't justify killing innocent demonstrators. There are many ways to quell a protest, indiscriminately firing into a group of people isn't the way to do it.

Are you saying that the protests should have been quelled?
If so, how then should the very large number of people make their objections heard when the elected gives himself absolute power?

Re: Egypt, what is going to happen?! : Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:07 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

Are you saying that the protests should have been quelled?
If so, how then should the very large number of people make their objections heard when the elected gives himself absolute power?

Forget it mate, he's already managed to confuse pro-Morsi supporters with pro-democracy supporters

Re: Egypt, what is going to happen?! : Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:51 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

Doesn't justify killing innocent demonstrators. There are many ways to quell a protest, indiscriminately firing into a group of people isn't the way to do it.

Like you'd know anything about been in fear of your life.

Re: Egypt, what is going to happen?! : Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:58 am  

Sheldon wrote:

Like you'd know anything about been in fear of your life.

How is that relevant?

Re: Egypt, what is going to happen?! : Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:04 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

How is that relevant?

It could be one of the contributing factors why rounds were fired.

So really relevant.