Ah, so everyone has to be able to get a mortgage to have fulfillment in their lives?..
Where did I say that? Did you miss the bit about renting and IDS?
Murdoch wrote:
.. Mortgages are bloody difficult to get for full time workers these days too, I know, I had to use the "bank of mum and dad" like plenty of people up and down the country...
Oh, poor you, I really feel sorry for you.
Murdoch wrote:
... Trying to argue that zero hour contracts are somehow immoral because people can't get a mortgage if they work under these conditions is laughable.
Where did I say that? Again, did you miss the bit about renting and IDS?
If people can't get mortgages, then renting is the only option if they want their own place,....
Correct! Now given private landlords require proof of a reliable income can you now take the final step on your journey to enlightenment and realise that given zero hours contracts don't give any such proof they also prevent people taking the "only option" as you put it?
As for IDS, you don't like him, big deal. I couldn't give a toss what he says/does until it affects me.
If you think IDS's and the rest of the governments various screw ups in this area aren't affecting you, you must a take a very narrow view. For example if changes to housing benefits and things like the bedroom tax force tenants into rent arrears the cost of (probably futile attempts at) recovery has to be paid for by someone and that will be the tax payer both in terms of council tax or reduced local services and income tax. I presume that includes you?
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If people can't get mortgages, then renting is the only option if they want their own place, well done on stating the obvious.
No need, I do ok. They're loaded. Win win.
As for IDS, you don't like him, big deal. I couldn't give a toss what he says/does until it affects me.
Its already affecting you. The cost to the tax payer for ESA and PIP appeals and tribunals is actually more than if they assessed fairly in the first place. Disabled people who have had homes specially adapted which costs hundreds if not thousands of tax payers money are now having to move into smaller homes which then need to be adapted which costs the tax payer a second time, hundreds if not thousands of pounds, not forgetting the cost to the tax payer to put the first house back to a "normal" house.
Oh yes, its already affecting you, if you care to look.
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Correct! Now given private landlords require proof of a reliable income can you now take the final step on your journey to enlightenment and realise that given zero hours contracts don't give any such proof they also prevent people taking the "only option" as you put it?
Is it impossible to get accomodation if you work a zero hour contract?
If you think IDS's and the rest of the governments various screw ups in this area aren't affecting you, you must a take a very narrow view. For example if changes to housing benefits and things like the bedroom tax force tenants into rent arrears the cost of (probably futile attempts at) recovery has to be paid for by someone and that will be the tax payer both in terms of council tax or reduced local services and income tax. I presume that includes you?
My council tax went up continually until recently and has now been frozen for 2/3 years. My income tax has also reduced.
Its already affecting you. The cost to the tax payer for ESA and PIP appeals and tribunals is actually more than if they assessed fairly in the first place. Disabled people who have had homes specially adapted which costs hundreds if not thousands of tax payers money are now having to move into smaller homes which then need to be adapted which costs the tax payer a second time, hundreds if not thousands of pounds, not forgetting the cost to the tax payer to put the first house back to a "normal" house.
Oh yes, its already affecting you, if you care to look.
When my tax goes up, you may have a point. Right now, I get taxed and that money gets spent on lots of things. What that proportion is doesn't really matter.
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Handle every situation like a dog. If you can't Eat it or Chew it. Pee on it and Walk Away.
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When my tax goes up, you may have a point. Right now, I get taxed and that money gets spent on lots of things. What that proportion is doesn't really matter.
So you don't mind then that your income tax is going to be used to give childcare vouchers to parents with an income upto £300,000 pa but not to stay at home mothers who will receive nothing? I'd be hopping mad.
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