Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:06 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

And come 2015 you'll vote for a party that promises to be nastier than the Tories on those less fortunate despite telling us how nasty they are.

I find it hilarious you actually know who I'll be voting for, you must be clairvoyant, please tell us this weeks lottery numbers so I don't have to jump through hoops to claim 90 odd quid a week.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:07 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

I find it hilarious you actually know who I'll be voting for, you must be clairvoyant, please tell us this weeks lottery numbers so I don't have to jump through hoops to claim 90 odd quid a week.

Jump through hoops? You have to prove your case, sorry if that inconveniences you. Perhaps people should just be allowed to say they've a bad back or something and then get the cash, no questions asked. Sorry, you clearly can't be a Labour voter, your bleatings about the unfairness of it all would make you unable to vote for them as they've promised to be even nastier. My mistake.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:20 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

I don't have to whine, I have my benefit thank you very muchly and an acknowledgement from this government that I am what I say I am. How many flights of stairs did you put down on your ESA50 pre 2008 and did you say you could or could not step up two steps on the same question post 2010? How much pain did you say you were in on your ESA50 pre 2008 in the half a page box asking you to explain and which box did you tick to say if you could hold a pen in your ESA50 post 2010.

Labour was trialling Atos, this government went full steam ahead, changed the questions, disregards specialist opinion and calls people liars.

{why do I have a sense of deja vu here??}

I've got the ESA 50 in front of me. On the steps thing, you don't only have to say if you can or can't step up 2 steps, there's a "it varies" option as well, plus a lovely little box to fill in any additional info about using steps. I'm sure you can explain your issues with the form that asks you for answers but gives you the space to add on any other information.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:44 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

Jump through hoops? You have to prove your case, sorry if that inconveniences you. Perhaps people should just be allowed to say they've a bad back or something and then get the cash, no questions asked. Sorry, you clearly can't be a Labour voter, your bleatings about the unfairness of it all would make you unable to vote for them as they've promised to be even nastier. My mistake.

All I can do is laugh at you

You really have no idea at all. I know you haven't been around here for long (or have you?) but I shouldn't have to prove to them or you that I have had hip replacements, knee replacements, foot fusions, joint damage, etc etc, a letter from the top professor in the country (at Chapel Allerton in Leeds), my GP, physio, occupational health, podiatrists and radiographers, should be enough.

Come back to me when you know what you are talking about, that goes for the ESA50 form you "have in front of you". I see you don't mention about picking up an empty cardboard box, nor lifting one arm to put something in your top pocket questions.

I suspect you are a troll and a very bad one at that.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:17 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

A colleague worked up to the day before she died of cancer. So, did these 32 people per week die because they were declared fit for work or simply because of their illness? Is it impossible for people to work with an illness?

My mother had her hairdresser round the house the day before she succumbed to her cancer because she fully intended to be going out that weekend, however you miss the point entirely - we, the taxpayer, paid handsomely for a private company to assess everyone on any sort of disability benefit in order to sort out the hundreds of thousands of shirkers that we had been promised were hiding behind fake illnesses, what they did in order to generate the numbers to justify the propaganda was tick the "fit to work" boxes for people with diagnosed terminal illnesses who then went on to prove their diagnosis correct by dying.

As if an employee with 2 million other unemployed to pick from would choose the one who has already been medically diagnosed as ready to die, anytime now, I mean, its hardly worth the bloody paperwork is it ?

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:20 pm  

Of course its not the first time in recent history that a regime has used the dying to work until they literally expire...

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:53 am  

Yet another in a lengthening list... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/benefit-cuts-blind-man-committed-2965375#.Ur6V1aPxVTK.twitter Yes its The Daily Mirror and yes you'd expect it to take an anti-government stance, but extract the relevent details from the rhetoric and you have a story of a mentally ill person able to support himself in social housing whilst on a small weekly allowance provided by the taxpayer, the sort of thing that Margaret Thatcher was thinking of when she instigated the breaking up of the mental health institutions for "Care in the community", in fact the person in this story is a testament to the way that that policy should work when applied correctly. Withdraw that support and this is the result. We live in a very cruel society.

Yet another in a lengthening list... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/benefit-cuts-blind-man-committed-2965375#.Ur6V1aPxVTK.twitter Yes its The Daily Mirror and yes you'd expect it to take an anti-government stance, but extract the relevent details from the rhetoric and you have a story of a mentally ill person able to support himself in social housing whilst on a small weekly allowance provided by the taxpayer, the sort of thing that Margaret Thatcher was thinking of when she instigated the breaking up of the mental health institutions for "Care in the community", in fact the person in this story is a testament to the way that that policy should work when applied correctly. Withdraw that support and this is the result. We live in a very cruel society.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:01 am  

BobbyD wrote:

... At the last election the 3 main parties promised ... NHS privatisation ... Millions of people voted for these policies ...

This is factually incorrect.

None of the major parties "promised ... NHS privatisation". Thus nobody voted for it.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:31 am  

Mintball wrote:

This is factually incorrect.

None of the major parties "promised ... NHS privatisation". Thus nobody voted for it.

Indeed, one of the "major parties" spent a lot of money on a huge poster campaign promising to cut the deficit and not the NHS.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:11 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Indeed, one of the "major parties" spent a lot of money on a huge poster campaign promising to cut the deficit and not the NHS.

And its leader stated: "There will be no more top-down reorganisations of the NHS".