Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:19 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

http://www.ncm.org.uk/docs/collections-documents/statistics-in-mining.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Of course you wouldn't hear a murmur from the NUM, when you're compliant with destruction you hardly shout from the rooftops.

Still, "Quisling" Benn did ok, promotion in the cabinet under a man who destroyed communities. They make his speeches in the house where he talks about how the miners (amongst others) built the country even more laughable. Yet another professional class warrior full of "bollox soundbites". If I were Bob Crow, I wouldn't want my name linked with this charlatan.

Do you write this type of thing as a wind up or, as I suspect, you really are that ignorant about the history of this country.

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:20 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

http://www.ncm.org.uk/docs/collections-documents/statistics-in-mining.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Of course you wouldn't hear a murmur from the NUM, when you're compliant with destruction you hardly shout from the rooftops.

Still, "Quisling" Benn did ok, promotion in the cabinet under a man who destroyed communities. They make his speeches in the house where he talks about how the miners (amongst others) built the country even more laughable. Yet another professional class warrior full of "bollox soundbites". If I were Bob Crow, I wouldn't want my name linked with this charlatan.

Do you write this type of thing as a wind up or, as I suspect, you really are that ignorant about the history of this country.

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:57 pm  

DaveO wrote: You really think it is acceptable for a government to lie to the people to this degree? If the information had come out that the government was lying it would have been political dynamite because it wasn't a General trying to deceive the enemy as you would have it but a politician lying to the people. There is a huge difference and if you think it is OK you must want to live in a dictatorship where the government just lies to you all the time. She was bloody lucky we weren't in the Information age we now live in or I doubt the deceit would have lasted five minutes. Eeeerm, welcome to the big bad World. Government Departments have routinely made, lied about, and covered up controversial decisions since Adam was a lad. Why do you think that so many cabinet papers are locked away for decades? You've surely heard of the expression "a good day to bury bad news," where minor embarrassments are released late in the day, where there has been some major event to distract the attention? And emotive language like living in a dictatorship simply highlight the weakness of your theories. Apart from Ollie Cromwell, way back in the day, I don't recall a single UK dictator. Whilst you're googling "democracy" have a look at Censorship in the UK. DaveO wrote: So you think despite the biggest economic crisis since the 1920's the fact the Tories could not win the general election in 2010 due in no small measure to them being toast in large parts of the former mining areas is game, set and match? Believe it or not people in these areas did used to vote Tory in enough numbers to get some Tory MP's elected every now and again but now the Tories may as well be aliens in certain parts of the country and it all started with how they dealt with the miners. Making your party unelectable is no victory. Whilst its not hard to tell the difference between a sunny day and a Northerner with a sense of grievance, this article gives a clearer insight, rather than the overly simplistic explanation of "long memories". Some of the replies make interesting points as well. And there have been constituencies which have traditionally never returned a Tory, preferring to vote in a MP who sailed under a Socialist flag, when in truth they were Communists. I'm pretty sure there is a Tory MP down in Nottinghamshire who has a working mine within his patch, so it's not all doom and gloom. No matter how much you deny it, Margaret Thatcher's handbagging of Scargill and his ilk, was exactly what Britain needed. Just a shame Ed Milliband lacks the Iron Ladies balls.....

DaveO wrote: You really think it is acceptable for a government to lie to the people to this degree? If the information had come out that the government was lying it would have been political dynamite because it wasn't a General trying to deceive the enemy as you would have it but a politician lying to the people. There is a huge difference and if you think it is OK you must want to live in a dictatorship where the government just lies to you all the time. She was bloody lucky we weren't in the Information age we now live in or I doubt the deceit would have lasted five minutes. Eeeerm, welcome to the big bad World. Government Departments have routinely made, lied about, and covered up controversial decisions since Adam was a lad. Why do you think that so many cabinet papers are locked away for decades? You've surely heard of the expression "a good day to bury bad news," where minor embarrassments are released late in the day, where there has been some major event to distract the attention? And emotive language like living in a dictatorship simply highlight the weakness of your theories. Apart from Ollie Cromwell, way back in the day, I don't recall a single UK dictator. Whilst you're googling "democracy" have a look at Censorship in the UK. DaveO wrote: So you think despite the biggest economic crisis since the 1920's the fact the Tories could not win the general election in 2010 due in no small measure to them being toast in large parts of the former mining areas is game, set and match? Believe it or not people in these areas did used to vote Tory in enough numbers to get some Tory MP's elected every now and again but now the Tories may as well be aliens in certain parts of the country and it all started with how they dealt with the miners. Making your party unelectable is no victory. Whilst its not hard to tell the difference between a sunny day and a Northerner with a sense of grievance, this article gives a clearer insight, rather than the overly simplistic explanation of "long memories". Some of the replies make interesting points as well. And there have been constituencies which have traditionally never returned a Tory, preferring to vote in a MP who sailed under a Socialist flag, when in truth they were Communists. I'm pretty sure there is a Tory MP down in Nottinghamshire who has a working mine within his patch, so it's not all doom and gloom. No matter how much you deny it, Margaret Thatcher's handbagging of Scargill and his ilk, was exactly what Britain needed. Just a shame Ed Milliband lacks the Iron Ladies balls.....

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:00 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

....verbal diahorrea. ..
No matter how much you deny it, Margaret Thatcher's handbagging of Scargill and his ilk, was exactly what Britain needed. Just a shame Ed Milliband lacks the Iron Ladies balls.....

Another classic example of the saying "there is no worse sight than watching ignorance in action".
One of the main reasons why this country has gone to the dogs is that woman and her cronies screwing the British public whilst showing a false smile. The consequences of their actions are the "dead zones" of unemployed, unemployable, badly educated dependent people who are the result of one of the most pernicious pieces of social engineering ever seen that wasn't genocide.
The tories have always been the party of the few and keep the rest down. Their current policies are keeping this country back as they have always done
All they want is the fruits of others labour and little legislation to help them achieve that
Basically a party of inhumane, selfish, greedy bigots. They will never change.

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:32 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote: Eeeerm, welcome to the big bad World. Government Departments have routinely made, lied about, and covered up controversial decisions since Adam was a lad. Why do you think that so many cabinet papers are locked away for decades? You've surely heard of the expression "a good day to bury bad news," where minor embarrassments are released late in the day, where there has been some major event to distract the attention? And emotive language like living in a dictatorship simply highlight the weakness of your theories. Apart from Ollie Cromwell, way back in the day, I don't recall a single UK dictator. Whilst you're googling "democracy" have a look at Censorship in the UK. Whilst its not hard to tell the difference between a sunny day and a Northerner with a sense of grievance, this article gives a clearer insight, rather than the overly simplistic explanation of "long memories". Some of the replies make interesting points as well. And there have been constituencies which have traditionally never returned a Tory, preferring to vote in a MP who sailed under a Socialist flag, when in truth they were Communists. I'm pretty sure there is a Tory MP down in Nottinghamshire who has a working mine within his patch, so it's not all doom and gloom. No matter how much you deny it, Margaret Thatcher's handbagging of Scargill and his ilk, was exactly what Britain needed. Just a shame Ed Milliband lacks the Iron Ladies balls..... If what she was doing was right, why did she need to lie? She didnt handbag anyone, she lied, lied, and lied again, set communities against each other and used the police as a set of hired thugs who have not yet recovered from her leadership. Its why they danced on her grave and there were parties in the street when she died lonely and irrelevant in a hotel room and only the idealogues came out to defend her.

rumpelstiltskin wrote: Eeeerm, welcome to the big bad World. Government Departments have routinely made, lied about, and covered up controversial decisions since Adam was a lad. Why do you think that so many cabinet papers are locked away for decades? You've surely heard of the expression "a good day to bury bad news," where minor embarrassments are released late in the day, where there has been some major event to distract the attention? And emotive language like living in a dictatorship simply highlight the weakness of your theories. Apart from Ollie Cromwell, way back in the day, I don't recall a single UK dictator. Whilst you're googling "democracy" have a look at Censorship in the UK. Whilst its not hard to tell the difference between a sunny day and a Northerner with a sense of grievance, this article gives a clearer insight, rather than the overly simplistic explanation of "long memories". Some of the replies make interesting points as well. And there have been constituencies which have traditionally never returned a Tory, preferring to vote in a MP who sailed under a Socialist flag, when in truth they were Communists. I'm pretty sure there is a Tory MP down in Nottinghamshire who has a working mine within his patch, so it's not all doom and gloom. No matter how much you deny it, Margaret Thatcher's handbagging of Scargill and his ilk, was exactly what Britain needed. Just a shame Ed Milliband lacks the Iron Ladies balls..... If what she was doing was right, why did she need to lie? She didnt handbag anyone, she lied, lied, and lied again, set communities against each other and used the police as a set of hired thugs who have not yet recovered from her leadership. Its why they danced on her grave and there were parties in the street when she died lonely and irrelevant in a hotel room and only the idealogues came out to defend her.

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:28 pm  

Leaguefan wrote:

Another classic example of the saying "there is no worse sight than watching ignorance in action".
One of the main reasons why this country has gone to the dogs is that woman and her cronies screwing the British public whilst showing a false smile. The consequences of their actions are the "dead zones" of umemployed, unemployable, badly educated dependent people who are the result of one of the most pernicious pieces of social engineering ever seen thats wasn't genocide.
The tories have always been the party of the few and keep the rest down. Their current policies are keeping this country back as they have always done
All they want is the fruits of others labour and little legislation to help them achieve that
Basically a party of inhumane, selfish, greedy bigots. They will never change.

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:37 pm  

DaveO wrote:

So you think despite the biggest economic crisis since the 1920's the fact the Tories could not win the general election in 2010 due in no small measure to them being toast in large parts of the former mining areas is game, set and match?

Believe it or not people in these areas did used to vote Tory in enough numbers to get some Tory MP's elected every now and again but now the Tories may as well be aliens in certain parts of the country and it all started with how they dealt with the miners. Making your party unelectable is no victory.

Major won after Thatcher - hardly unelectable.

There is only so long the old 'me dad said I shouldn't vote for the nasty torreees' will go.

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:55 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Major won after Thatcher - hardly unelectable.

There is only so long the old 'me dad said I shouldn't vote for the nasty torreees' will go.

No need for it to go on. Most of us who've come after can see quite plainly why we shouldn't vote for them.


There's some strange ways of looking at the world on the right...

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:17 pm  

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seant ... s-ignored/

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seant ... s-ignored/

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:59 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100264023/tony-benn-admired-chairman-mao-responsible-for-the-deaths-of-millions-why-is-this-ignored/

Augusto Pinochet.


Fookin ridiculous is this football supporter politics.