Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:45 pm  

Dally wrote:

Ripping off via corporation tax? I remember when all companies, however small, paid 52% and now its 20%. People now want to leave money in companies because the tax rate is so low compared with taking it out. So, if 20% is a rip off I assume Standee has / will never use public transport, the NHS, the education system, rely on the police or emergency services in his hour of need, rely on the intelligence services or armed forces to keep him safe, expect any state pension in future, etc, etc.

Standee belives in a "small state".

So small that he has convinced himself (although there are one or two doubters), that his parents fully-funded not only his birth but ALL of his education and welfare needs up to the point where he can fund all of that himself.

I know that he enjoys a spot of skiing, I only hope he doesn't have an accident in a country such as France, then he'll find out what 3rd world healthcare is all about.

He also reckoned that this bill was false because it was in $s, despite the fact that it is the usual currency in the US and also the fact that the US tends not to have a "free at point of need" medical system

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:03 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Standee belives in a "small state".

So small that he has convinced himself (although there are one or two doubters), that his parents fully-funded not only his birth but ALL of his education and welfare needs up to the point where he can fund all of that himself.

I know that he enjoys a spot of skiing, I only hope he doesn't have an accident in a country such as France, then he'll find out what 3rd world healthcare is all about.

He also reckoned that this bill was false because it was in $s, despite the fact that it is the usual currency in the US and also the fact that the US tends not to have a "free at point of need" medical system

That bill looks about right. My cousin's last baby born cost her personally about $7,000. Her insurance from General Motors paid the difference of about $40k. She explained to me, everything from a meal to a plaster was billed.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:44 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Yes because Gordon Brown single-handedly caused the worldwide financial meltdown in 2008.

There'll be far fewer people "shafted" by a Labour government than there will be by a tory one

Far more people get shafted under Labour - their tax and spend affects us all, sadly.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:48 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Far more people get shafted under Labour - their tax and spend affects us all, sadly.

Yes, it's so terrible that they fritter away money on things like education, healthcare and policing

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:02 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Yes, it's so terrible that they fritter away money on things like education, healthcare and policing

What is terrible is the amount of waste in the public sector - so you need to increase spending disproportionately to get any kind of positive outcomes.

Spending on public services is an easy way to get things moving - unfortunately it only ever has very short term benefits as the last Labour government realised.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:16 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Yes, it's so terrible that they fritter away money on things like education, healthcare and policing

What is terrible is the amount of waste in the public sector - so you need to increase spending disproportionately to get any kind of positive outcomes.

Spending on public services is an easy way to get things moving - unfortunately it only ever has very short term benefits as the last Labour government realised.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:48 am  

Today should be fun, there are some real gems lined of to speak: BoJo with his UKIP defectors have sex with hoovers Theresa May & Chris Grayling impersonating the Krankies tearing up the Human Rights Bill And to top it all off tomorrow, Camoron will be trying to out-UKIP, UKIP

Today should be fun, there are some real gems lined of to speak: BoJo with his UKIP defectors have sex with hoovers Theresa May & Chris Grayling impersonating the Krankies tearing up the Human Rights Bill And to top it all off tomorrow, Camoron will be trying to out-UKIP, UKIP

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:00 pm  

Tax Credits will be frozen for 2 years from 2016 under a re-elected Tory government. I know i'm a dirty, filthy scrounger for claiming them, but if my employer, and most other people's employers paid them a suitable wage, i wouldn't need them. Cost of living will have further increased by then, and my average payrise per year in my 8 years with my current employer is around 7p, so... struggles ahead.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:32 pm  

100% Wire wrote:

Tax Credits will be frozen for 2 years from 2016 under a re-elected Tory government. I know i'm a dirty, filthy scrounger for claiming them, but if my employer, and most other people's employers paid them a suitable wage, i wouldn't need them. Cost of living will have further increased by then, and my average payrise per year in my 8 years with my current employer is around 7p, so... struggles ahead.

Gidiot need to find £25bn further savings, who better to fund them than the already impoverished?

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:26 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Standee believes in a "small state".

I believe in a appropriately sized and funded state, where those in genuine need get the assistance they genuinely require.

cod'ead wrote:

So small that he has convinced himself (although there are one or two doubters), that his parents fully-funded not only his birth but ALL of his education and welfare needs

You have no idea of the circumstance of any of those things.

cod'ead wrote:

up to the point where he can fund all of that himself.

as it stands, I couldn't, not to a standard I'd find acceptable, hence I haven't been irresponsible and had kids like shelling peas, unfortunately some of the rest of the population just make selfish decisions and expect people to pick up the tab for them. "well, they're rich, innit, they can pay for me to sit on benefits street"

cod'ead wrote:

I know that he enjoys a spot of skiing, I only hope he doesn't have an accident in a country such as France, then he'll find out what 3rd world healthcare is all about.

I'll assume you're not wishing misfortune upon me, not you usual style. And yes, I do Ski, and I also have the relevant insurance to cover me in the event of an accident.

cod'ead wrote:

He also reckoned that this bill was false because it was in $s, despite the fact that it is the usual currency in the US and also the fact that the US tends not to have a "free at point of need" medical system]

And, as I said above, most Americans have the adequate level of insurance in place PRIOR to making a decision to have children.

We have different opinions, as has been proven over many years, and, with a fair wind for us both, will last many more years. I simply cannot see how constantly bemoaning people wealth, and yet expecting them to underpin an overly generous welfare system is logical.

Cameron has, and earns, money = he pays tax
Osbourne has, and earns, money = he pays tax

The Clampits from No22 somewhere ville have no money, do not work, don't pay tax, yet they get their rent, council tax and other elements of their life paid for, by the people that pay tax.

It's not a difficult argument that the Clampits are lacking personal responsibility and any work ethic.

I fully appreciate there are some people who genuinely cannot work, but not as many as those who are claiming they cannot work.