Re: Diane Abbott : Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:57 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

The Sin Bin may as well be "The Socialist Worker", left wing old people with an axe to grind.

Can you give any reasons to back up your “opinion”? You don’t seem to have responded.

And by the way young people are far more likely to be in favour of socialist policies than old people. Most old people voted conservative and brexit. Most young people voted labour and remain.

Re: Diane Abbott : Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 am  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

Can you give any reasons to back up your “opinion”? You don’t seem to have responded.

And by the way young people are far more likely to be in favour of socialist policies than old people. Most old people voted conservative and brexit. Most young people voted labour and remain.

I don't have to justify my opinion to an internet troll.

Re: Diane Abbott : Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:41 am  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

I don't have to justify my opinion to an internet troll.

You prefer a forum where you can express an opinion and not have anyone question it? The very definition of a right wing snowflake - perhaps you should confine yourself to your echo chamber?

Re: Diane Abbott : Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:34 am  

bren2k wrote:

You prefer a forum where you can express an opinion and not have anyone question it? The very definition of a right wing snowflake - perhaps you should confine yourself to your echo chamber?

I am far from a "right wing snowflake" and I am happy to debate acrual issues, I don't believe Diane Abbott should be an MP, but poeople in her constituency voted her in, my view is she only opens her mouth to change feet.

Re: Diane Abbott : Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:38 am  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

I am far from a "right wing snowflake" and I am happy to debate acrual issues, I don't believe Diane Abbott should be an MP, but poeople in her constituency voted her in, my view is she only opens her mouth to change feet.

And you've yet to say why, other than vague insults and slurs, and repeatedly refused to engage with people who've asked you questions about the post that you actually started.

If you didn't want to discuss it, why did you post it?

Re: Diane Abbott : Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:48 am  

bren2k wrote:

And you've yet to say why, other than vague insults and slurs, and repeatedly refused to engage with people who've asked you questions about the post that you actually started.

If you didn't want to discuss it, why did you post it?

OK, a few things as examples.

She blames Khanfor knife crime, not thepeople carrying knives or thegang society.
She wanted to let ISIS bride Begum back into the UK
She blames the UK for the tragis death of Begums child, despite the fact Begum had other children that also died.

If she were ever to get into office, I fear just where we'd end up, especially with Corbyn as PM.

Re: Diane Abbott : Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:08 am  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

OK, a few things as examples.

She blames Khanfor knife crime, not thepeople carrying knives or thegang society.
She wanted to let ISIS bride Begum back into the UK
She blames the UK for the tragis death of Begums child, despite the fact Begum had other children that also died.

If she were ever to get into office, I fear just where we'd end up, especially with Corbyn as PM.

Ah I see - it's her ability to look at the wider issues that bother you?

1. I don't see how anyone can reasonably say that the rise in knife crime isn't at least partly due to the swingeing cuts made to the types of local services that would, in the past, have kept some of these kids out of criminality; or the massive cuts to police numbers haven't impacted on the ability of community policing to know who's doing what, and to intervene early.

2. The "ISIS bride" was a British citizen - international law dictated that she was our problem - the right thing to do was bring her back and try her for any crimes that she had committed, instead of playing the tough guy to appease the Daily Mail comments contributors.

3. It's not a massive leap to suggest that if she'd have been returned to the UK, the baby (also a British citizen, and entirely innocent) would have lived.

I quite like nuance and detail - you should try it - it makes the world a more interesting place.

Re: Diane Abbott : Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:16 am  

bren2k wrote:

Ah I see - it's her ability to look at the wider issues that bother you?

1. I don't see how anyone can reasonably say that the rise in knife crime isn't at least partly due to the swingeing cuts made to the types of local services that would, in the past, have kept some of these kids out of criminality; or the massive cuts to police numbers haven't impacted on the ability of community policing to know who's doing what, and to intervene early.

2. The "ISIS bride" was a British citizen - international law dictated that she was our problem - the right thing to do was bring her back and try her for any crimes that she had committed, instead of playing the tough guy to appease the Daily Mail comments contributors.

3. It's not a massive leap to suggest that if she'd have been returned to the UK, the baby (also a British citizen, and entirely innocent) would have lived.

I quite like nuance and detail - you should try it - it makes the world a more interesting place.

A left wing view, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Re: Diane Abbott : Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:28 am  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

A left wing view, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I don't think this is about left or right - my instinct on these matters comes from decency, not politics; maybe that's the problem in this country now - we can't discuss issues, without first deciding that someone has a view because of the tribe we perceive them to be in - which makes us instinctively disagree with them if that tribe is different from our own.

We've been infantilised and brainwashed by politicians and the media to such an extent, that we get our opinions from an echo chamber, convert them into facts in our own minds, then cling onto them in the face of data and evidence to the contrary. That's how they control us comrade - but you can break free if you really want to.

Re: Diane Abbott : Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:37 am  

bren2k wrote:

I don't think this is about left or right - my instinct on these matters comes from decency, not politics; maybe that's the problem in this country now - we can't discuss issues, without first deciding that someone has a view because of the tribe we perceive them to be in - which makes us instinctively disagree with them if that tribe is different from our own.

We've been infantilised and brainwashed by politicians and the media to such an extent, that we get our opinions from an echo chamber, convert them into facts in our own minds, then cling onto them in the face of data and evidence to the contrary. That's how they control us comrade - but you can break free if you really want to.

What condascending codswallop, Begum left the UK to join a terrorist group, she ceased to be a british subject at that point,her child was not british.

I get my opinion from the facts, hence not believeing in God or Socialism.