Re: As I said... : Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:45 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

I have to laugh when people on the right, who support Brexit, blurt out the Marxist and Communist lines. I do wonder if they've ever read any Karl Marx, and if any of them actually know what the Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist) stance is on leaving the EU, and immigration?

The Communist Party of Britain (Marxist–Leninist) supported Brexit, from a left wing point of view (Lexit), during the 2016 referendum.

In a 2005 article, The Communist Party of Britain (Marxist–Leninist) opposed unskilled and low-skilled immigration, believing that mass immigration from Eastern Europe into Britain is a deliberate plan by the capitalist ruling class to use "cheap labour" to "undermine the wages and conditions of British workers". It also stressed concerns that this mass immigration was having the effect of impacting national infrastructure; schools, hospitals and transport; by overloading them, to the detriment of the indigenous working-class.

Any of that sound familiar? It could have almost been written by Cronus! Only the CPGB ML were advocating this nearly 15 years ago!

They do say that politics is a horseshoe, where the far left and far right are so close, but not quite in touch with each other.

So next time you're thinking of using the Marxist or Communist line as an insult to the left, just be a bit more aware that you're probably in the same boat. You might be rowing in different directions, but you're both heading for the same destination.

I remember my parents saying something about, the more left wing you go, the more right wing you become. It seems they were right.

Re: As I said... : Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:38 am  

IR80 wrote:

and whilst iam at it, would you care to link to these facts, assuming you can log in again with the same username JEAN?

The ironyometer ha just exploded at you demanding other posters support their points (such as they are) with evidence.

Re: As I said... : Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:47 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I remember my parents saying something about, the more left wing you go, the more right wing you become. It seems they were right.

The hard left are some of the most intolerant, aggressive, nasty people you could come across.

If we're doing quotes, here's one interpreted by many writers, thinkers and politicians in many languages over the years, versions of which have been attributed to Edmund Burke, Anselme Batbie, Victor Hugo, King Oscar II of Sweden, George Bernard Shaw, François Guizot, Georges Clemenceau, Benjamin Disraeli and of course Winston Churchill.

"if a person isn't a socialist by 25 they have no heart; if they're not a conservative by 35 they have no head."

Variants include:
"if a person isn't a socialist/liberal/revolutionary by 16/20/25 they have no heart; if they're still one/not a conservative by 35/40/60 they have no head."

RLFans is firm evidence of the theory.

Re: As I said... : Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:02 pm  

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in modern philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

Re: As I said... : Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:12 pm  

Friday 13 December
Super-rich family buy £65m house after Johnson's victory.
Investors and the very wealthy celebrate the Conservatives’ 80-seat majority.
The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires on the Bloomberg billionaires index of the world’s 500 richest people increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to Bloomberg, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared.
Excellent news. Now Britain can finally move forward, both with Brexit and with securing stability and economic growth for our great nation.

Saturday 14 December
Boris Johnson announces plans for spending spree in north.
Johnson: UK embarking on 'wonderful adventure'.

Monday 16 December
Johnson to tell new Tory MPs they must repay public’s trust.
Boris Johnson's tax plans face squeeze as public finances worsen.
OBR forecast means tax rises rather than tax cuts will be needed, say analysts.

Tuesday 17 December
Markets fear cliff-edge in December 2020.
UK company shares fall as markets face Brexit reality.
Pound tumbles amid Brexit cliff-edge fears; wage growth slows.
Johnson's Brexit threat has scrooged the pound.

Didn't last long, did it? Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Re: As I said... : Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:29 pm  

He know how to get the cabinet vegetables to chant (albeit the old disproved lies).

Re: As I said... : Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:24 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

He know how to get the cabinet vegetables to chant (albeit the old disproved lies).

That was embarrassing.
Lets just hope that Javid knows that 19000 old = 31000 new = 50,000 in total and isn't 50,000 new
I wonder how many of the "nodding dogs" were thinking WTF

[Mild Rover]

Re: As I said... : Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:08 am  

Cronus wrote: The hard left are some of the most intolerant, aggressive, nasty people you could come across. If we're doing quotes, here's one interpreted by many writers, thinkers and politicians in many languages over the years, versions of which have been attributed to Edmund Burke, Anselme Batbie, Victor Hugo, King Oscar II of Sweden, George Bernard Shaw, François Guizot, Georges Clemenceau, Benjamin Disraeli and of course Winston Churchill. "if a person isn't a socialist by 25 they have no heart; if they're not a conservative by 35 they have no head." Variants include: "if a person isn't a socialist/liberal/revolutionary by 16/20/25 they have no heart; if they're still one/not a conservative by 35/40/60 they have no head." RLFans is firm evidence of the theory. I’m not sure that really works on the socialist-capitalist spectrum, except where the old have accumulated more capital, which is a major confounding factor. On the liberal-conservative, it is just a move from naive hope for a better future to sad nostalgia for a better past. And it is all situational. There are loads of things historically, that were supported by conservatives then, that conservatives now would reject as outdated. That historical progress is now something to be conserved. Edit - these are good examples: https://proto-knowledge.blogspot.com/20 ... today.html The G.K. Chesterton one is maybe most relevant, but the others give us a connection to some great silly old b——— thinkers of history.

Cronus wrote: The hard left are some of the most intolerant, aggressive, nasty people you could come across. If we're doing quotes, here's one interpreted by many writers, thinkers and politicians in many languages over the years, versions of which have been attributed to Edmund Burke, Anselme Batbie, Victor Hugo, King Oscar II of Sweden, George Bernard Shaw, François Guizot, Georges Clemenceau, Benjamin Disraeli and of course Winston Churchill. "if a person isn't a socialist by 25 they have no heart; if they're not a conservative by 35 they have no head." Variants include: "if a person isn't a socialist/liberal/revolutionary by 16/20/25 they have no heart; if they're still one/not a conservative by 35/40/60 they have no head." RLFans is firm evidence of the theory. I’m not sure that really works on the socialist-capitalist spectrum, except where the old have accumulated more capital, which is a major confounding factor. On the liberal-conservative, it is just a move from naive hope for a better future to sad nostalgia for a better past. And it is all situational. There are loads of things historically, that were supported by conservatives then, that conservatives now would reject as outdated. That historical progress is now something to be conserved. Edit - these are good examples: https://proto-knowledge.blogspot.com/20 ... today.html The G.K. Chesterton one is maybe most relevant, but the others give us a connection to some great silly old b——— thinkers of history.

Re: As I said... : Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:45 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

Friday 13 December
Super-rich family buy £65m house after Johnson's victory.
Investors and the very wealthy celebrate the Conservatives’ 80-seat majority.
The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires on the Bloomberg billionaires index of the world’s 500 richest people increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to Bloomberg, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared.
Excellent news. Now Britain can finally move forward, both with Brexit and with securing stability and economic growth for our great nation.

Saturday 14 December
Boris Johnson announces plans for spending spree in north.
Johnson: UK embarking on 'wonderful adventure'.

Monday 16 December
Johnson to tell new Tory MPs they must repay public’s trust.
Boris Johnson's tax plans face squeeze as public finances worsen.
OBR forecast means tax rises rather than tax cuts will be needed, say analysts.

Tuesday 17 December
Markets fear cliff-edge in December 2020.
UK company shares fall as markets face Brexit reality.
Pound tumbles amid Brexit cliff-edge fears; wage growth slows.
Johnson's Brexit threat has scrooged the pound.

Didn't last long, did it? Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Employment continues to rise?

Re: As I said... : Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:48 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Employment continues to rise?

and the Stock market continues to increase in value, ask Tim Martin if he's happy with the extra £40m his stock is now worth.