Re: The break up of the Union : Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:46 pm  

The problem is the new agreement to leave removed the clause that allowed parliament to scrutinise any trade deals. This means it will be down to the inner circle including Dominic Cummings to arrange and sign before Parliament can even consider.
I have said before that suddenly IDS and Fox are pushing the US food standards. I note that Johnson had his food delivered by Harrods to the back door of course, no chlorinated chicken for him.
Brexit has split this country and I am afraid it has given a boost to racism and racists who relate it to the empire. I would hope Johnson would look to try to reduce this but I fear history would suggest he will not.

[Mild Rover]

Re: The break up of the Union : Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:46 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

So how would the government justify signing up to a trade deal with the US that would place locks on a future UK government from bringing in new environmental, food safety or product standards, and forces us to get rid of the existing NICE system for recommending and purchasing drugs, so that we paid higher prices for US-produced medicines.

Similarly, in a trade deal with India where the Indians are insistent that we stop classing Indian citizens as high risk in terms of immigration, and relax the rules on visas from India.

The government wants to secure trade deals so will have to accept some compromises like this, and will have to sell that to an electorate who thought we were leaving Europe to regain freedom to make our own laws rather than see our own government sign them away in an external trade agreement.

Just to note that changing the system of NICE assessments and pricing negotiations, would impact on all medicines, not just those produced by US companies. All the big Pharma companies have global reach, so i’m not sure how sensible it is to think about them in terms of their nations of origin.

I’d be interested to see or hear what the US might want in this regard, because we have a mature and effective process tailored to our healthcare system. I just can’t see what fundamental changes would be feasible without dismantling the whole framework.

Re: The break up of the Union : Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:17 pm  

It will be interesting to see our actual influence with the USA with regards the extradition of the motorist charged with death by dangerous driving. I expect that sadly USA will take no notice and I doubt our actual commitment due to the trade deal Johnson needs.

Re: The break up of the Union : Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:28 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Mr Johnson has indeed promised a Brexit Dividend on multiple occasions, no mention from his of any "economic hit"
Is he once again being economical with the truth or does he really expect an improvement in our prosperity ?

No he hasn't he has said there will be a financial boost from not having to give the EU £9bn every year and I suppose that can be seen as a good thing if it is invested in a tangible manner.

Re: The break up of the Union : Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:30 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

It will be interesting to see our actual influence with the USA with regards the extradition of the motorist charged with death by dangerous driving. I expect that sadly USA will take no notice and I doubt our actual commitment due to the trade deal Johnson needs.

Not a chance the US will extradite this lady, its not in their DNA - we need to ensure we are equally as resolute when the situation is reversed

Re: The break up of the Union : Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:34 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The problem is the new agreement to leave removed the clause that allowed parliament to scrutinise any trade deals. This means it will be down to the inner circle including Dominic Cummings to arrange and sign before Parliament can even consider.
I have said before that suddenly IDS and Fox are pushing the US food standards. I note that Johnson had his food delivered by Harrods to the back door of course, no chlorinated chicken for him.
Brexit has split this country and I am afraid it has given a boost to racism and racists who relate it to the empire. I would hope Johnson would look to try to reduce this but I fear history would suggest he will not.

We have seen what happens when Parliament start reviewing deals mid deal - members act in their best interest not in the interest of the country as a whole. They have shot themselves in the foot.

On Chlorinated chicken - it is not as if we will be force fed this stuff.

Re: The break up of the Union : Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:07 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

On Chlorinated chicken - it is not as if we will be force fed this stuff.

There is also nothing wrong with it from a human point of view, the only possible concern is a potential (perceived) reduction in welfare, but unless someone only buys corn fed, free range eggs then worrying about the wefare of chickens is two faced. I assume those who have issue with it will also stop eating all meat (especially bacon), not drink milk, not wear leather, not wear wool etc.

Farming requires animals, simple fact. The whole Chlorinated Chicken thing is a red herring used by the left wing media to talk about a deal they haven't even seen. Oh, and you can forget about Honey because those bees are kept in the equivalent of captivity and the food for their young stolen from them.

Re: The break up of the Union : Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:49 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No he hasn't he has said there will be a financial boost from not having to give the EU £9bn every year and I suppose that can be seen as a good thing if it is invested in a tangible manner.

Sorry Sal but, he has mentioned on many, many occasions about a "Brexit dividend" to provide a boost for the NHS.
It all started with the slogan on the red bus but, rather than admit that he was wrong/lying, he has indeed, continued to offer a "Brexit dividend".

A simple search on t'internet will provide you with plenty of links.

Re: The break up of the Union : Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:17 pm  

IR80 wrote:

I must have missed something, who is 'our Jake', do you mean Jacob Rees Mogg?

Yes. I'm just trying to normalise him, and make him sound like a man of the people.

Re: The break up of the Union : Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:28 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Not a chance the US will extradite this lady, its not in their DNA - we need to ensure we are equally as resolute when the situation is reversed

Yes, the "Special Relationship" has always been one-sided.

The classic example was at the supposed height of the relationship when Reagan and Thatcher were the leaders, and Argentina invaded the Falklands.

Reagan declared the US neutral and said "it's difficult for us because we're friends with both countries".

That was Galtieri's military junta launching an illegal invasion of British sovereign territory where the citizens steadfastly did not want to be under Argentinian control. And America was 'neutral'.