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| Quote Hull White Star="Hull White Star"Do you both think I sit here I make things up for the sake of it??? '"
Of course not. But all governments are poor in this country in this regard.
One think I've noticed in my lifetime is that in times of high unemployment claimants are branded scroungers and there are moves to cut benefits whereas in times of 'full' employment the real scroungers are given good benefits. It ironic. (NB I am not talking of the sick / disabled here).
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Of course not. But all governments are poor in this country in this regard.
One think I've noticed in my lifetime is that in times of high unemployment claimants are branded scroungers and there are moves to cut benefits whereas in times of 'full' employment the real scroungers are given good benefits. It ironic. (NB I am not talking of the sick / disabled here).'"
Its only the press that call benefit claimants scroungers. They whip the public up into such a frenzy. I have been claiming benefits for my illness for many years - DLA is not an out of work benefit, and I never heard a murmour about being a scrounger or "shop a cheat" campaigns nor do I recall Labour ministers telling twitter/facebook users if they have a disabled friend who used social networking to shop them as they can work like Tory [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/01/twitter-benefit-cheat-nadine-dorriesNadine Dorries[/url disgustingly did.
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| And the latest from Porky Pickles?
[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ios-exclusive-problem-families-told--stop-blaming-others-7834235.htmlProblem families told "stop blaming others"[/url
I wonder if he can make a start on some of the problem families closer to his heart, who continue to blame others for their situation? The Osbornes and Camorons spring readily to mind.
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"And the latest from Porky Pickles?
[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ios-exclusive-problem-families-told--stop-blaming-others-7834235.htmlProblem families told "stop blaming others"[/url
I wonder if he can make a start on some of the problem families closer to his heart, who continue to blame others for their situation? The Osbornes and Camorons spring readily to mind.'"
They couldn't possibly do that. The entire strategy of this government (that everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault) would be in tatters.
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"And the latest from Porky Pickles?
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From that report ...
Quote cod'eadUnder government criteria, a troubled family is one that meets five out of seven criteria: having a low income, no one in the family who is working, poor housing, parents who have no qualifications, where the mother has a mental health problem, one parent has a long-standing illness or disability, and where the family is unable to afford basics, including food and clothes. '"
The first three of those criteria plus the last one are usually a direct cause of the other three so in that respect he has got that bit right.
How on earth he is going to "tackle the issue" in an era of high unemployment is beyond me, I'm glad its not me who has to solve the conundrum but the long term unemployed, the mentally ill and the long term disabled are going to be right at the back of the queue in the job centres even when companies start recruiting again, tough words or not.
He freely admits that when he was the leader of Bradford Council he had 1760 "problem families" in the city and presumably there are still 1760 "problem familes" in the city because he didn't have a solution then and frankly he isn't offering one now - what he is doing is waving a flag and beating his 4XL chest for the benefit of "Outraged of Buckinghamshire".
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| Quote major hound="major hound"They couldn't possibly do that. The entire strategy of this government (that everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault) would be in tatters.'"
Think Pickles must have picked up Giedeons spin sheet today. Its all the Eurozones fault the state of Britains economy. Makes a refreshing change to hear something other than "the last labour governments fault".
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| Now Theresa May says that unless you're [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/08/immigration-rules-couples-stark-choiceearning more than £25,700 gross, you're too poor to bring your spouse into the country.[/url
So given this government's joined-up thinking, when can we expect Ian Duncan Smith to announce an increase in the minimum wage to £13.38 to reflect May's definition of poor?
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"Now Theresa May says that unless you're earning more than £18,600, you're too poor to bring your spouse into the country.
So given this government's joined-up thinking, when can we expect Ian Duncan Smith to announce an increase in the minimum wage to £9.67 to reflect May's definition of poor?'"
That'll be a bit of a blow to the cleaner who cleans around her desk every morning on £7.85 an hour, whether or not that cleaner has a spouse outside or inside the country, makes you wonder how these London Living Wage employees survive really doesn't it ?
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| Quote McLaren_Field="McLaren_Field"That'll be a bit of a blow to the cleaner who cleans around her desk every morning on £7.85 an hour, whether or not that cleaner has a spouse outside or inside the country, makes you wonder how these London Living Wage employees survive really doesn't it ?'"
Just edited it mate, the original figure was net of tax & NI, the gross figure is actually £25,700, so an hourly rate of £13.38
Either way, it won't deflect from Robert Jay handing Gideon his a[ir[/ise on a plate at Leveson this afty
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"Now Theresa May says that unless you're [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/08/immigration-rules-couples-stark-choiceearning more than £25,700 gross, you're too poor to bring your spouse into the country.[/url
So given this government's joined-up thinking, when can we expect Ian Duncan Smith to announce an increase in the minimum wage to £13.38 to reflect May's definition of poor?'"
And this is why I became a British Citizen when I did because I could see things like this happening to me. Its strange that you're deemed rich enough earning £7,500 pa to support a sick loved who cannot work but need £25,700 to support a foreigner? 
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"
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diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspo ... rlock.html
This is the reality of what is happening. I hope the Ajw71's and Dallys of this country read this and can finally accept what is happening is real, and it is this governments fault, not for Karens death but the way in which she was scared, vunerable and shockingly treated by this government and the shambles that is Atos.
RIP Karen - it will not be in vain.
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diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspo ... rlock.html
This is the reality of what is happening. I hope the Ajw71's and Dallys of this country read this and can finally accept what is happening is real, and it is this governments fault, not for Karens death but the way in which she was scared, vunerable and shockingly treated by this government and the shambles that is Atos.
RIP Karen - it will not be in vain.
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