Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:53 pm  

DaveO wrote:

...I for one do not believe for a minute if it were not for the likes of 38 degrees and Burnham anything would have changed.

Agreed.
They must hate the way that 38 degrees can monitor their actions and mobilise reaction.
I only became a member by default, having been a Charter 88 signatory, but I rarely disagree with their petitions

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:08 pm  

Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html

Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:28 pm  

Dally wrote: Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html You know there's a shitstorm of some proportion on the horizon when in-government politicians start to blame their predecessors, stage two will be to distance Nicholson from any of this and use Staffs as a reason for more privatisation - they've been embarassed by their covert action to press on with privatisation, now they have to start the smoke, mirrors and blame approach.

Dally wrote: Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html You know there's a shitstorm of some proportion on the horizon when in-government politicians start to blame their predecessors, stage two will be to distance Nicholson from any of this and use Staffs as a reason for more privatisation - they've been embarassed by their covert action to press on with privatisation, now they have to start the smoke, mirrors and blame approach.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:11 pm  

Dally wrote: Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html Apologise for building new hospitals and training and employing more doctors and nurses than had happened since the post-war expansion? NO!

Dally wrote: Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html Apologise for building new hospitals and training and employing more doctors and nurses than had happened since the post-war expansion? NO!

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:14 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

You know there's a shitstorm of some proportion on the horizon when in-government politicians start to blame their predecessors, stage two will be to distance Nicholson from any of this and use Staffs as a reason for more privatisation - they've been embarassed by their covert action to press on with privatisation, now they have to start the smoke, mirrors and blame approach.

Cameron is backing Nicolson for one simple reason: he's entirely comfortable with having another heartless, clueless 2@ as his standard bearer. He will be equally keen to hang him out to dry in a couple of weeks

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:34 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Apologise for building new hospitals and training and employing more doctors and nurses than had happened since the post-war expansion?

NO!

most of it it done with lovely private money. funny how burnham never had a problem with private finance before, much like many people round here. hypocrisy rules it seems. not you obviously, you love the way the swedes have shipped their health service out to the private sector.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:41 pm  

samwire wrote:

most of it it done with lovely private money. funny how burnham never had a problem with private finance before, much like many people round here. hypocrisy rules it seems. not you obviously, you love the way the swedes have shipped their health service out to the private sector.

Yes, Meryvn King (wholly independent of government of course) is saying we ought to follow the Scandinavian model and get RBS back into private hands asap. What's the betting Osborne follows his advice and extends it?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:48 pm  

samwire wrote:

most of it it done with lovely private money. funny how burnham never had a problem with private finance before, much like many people round here. hypocrisy rules it seems. not you obviously, you love the way the swedes have shipped their health service out to the private sector.

All 12% of it?

Get you facts right before spouting crap

[DaveO]

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:24 am  

Dally wrote: Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html I have this vision of Cameron, Hunt and Co sat in a room working tirelessly on the spin they will come up with to blame the Labour party for the end of the world. Anything but spending their energies on the job of government. People are tiring of it. Just look at the comments at the end of the article you linked to. They don't want blame, they want good government and when the reaction to any problem is 9 times out of 10 "It wasn't me gov!" I really do think people are wondering just what is the point of a government which has this reaction rather than one that just gets on and sorts it out.

Dally wrote: Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html I have this vision of Cameron, Hunt and Co sat in a room working tirelessly on the spin they will come up with to blame the Labour party for the end of the world. Anything but spending their energies on the job of government. People are tiring of it. Just look at the comments at the end of the article you linked to. They don't want blame, they want good government and when the reaction to any problem is 9 times out of 10 "It wasn't me gov!" I really do think people are wondering just what is the point of a government which has this reaction rather than one that just gets on and sorts it out.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:47 pm  

DaveO wrote:

I have this vision of Cameron, Hunt and Co sat in a room working tirelessly on the spin they will come up with to blame the Labour party for the end of the world. Anything but spending their energies on the job of government.

People are tiring of it. Just look at the comments at the end of the article you linked to. They don't want blame, they want good government and when the reaction to any problem is 9 times out of 10 "It wasn't me gov!" I really do think people are wondering just what is the point of a government which has this reaction rather than one that just gets on and sorts it out.

The party faithfull swallow it though, and then regurgitate it at any opportunity.

Truth is, they put their hand up for the job, the recession had hit two years previously, the banking crisis three years, despite pretending otherwise they knew exactly what the problems were before they stood for election in 2010 and they convinced enough people that they had a plan to fix the problems.

Seems they were wrong, there isn't a plan, never was a plan, there is political dogma and a couple of puppets having their strings pulled by the party elite and some very wealthy backers.

I long for the days of Wilson and Heath again, you knew exactly what they stood for and what you'd get and in the main they were up front and honest in their politic-ing.