Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:32 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

They don't really believe in God. Name me one reputable scientist who has been born again.

Not that believing in God gets you to Heaven, mind.

"born again"

you're hilarious, your family should have you sectioned.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:41 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

They don't really believe in God. Name me one reputable scientist who has been born again.

I did a few pages back, Francis ****ing Collins

kirkstaller wrote:

More BS than you can shake a stick at

It's one thing to have people think you are an idiot but, its another thing altogether to display the workings of your mind on a website and prove the fact beyond all doubt.

You have demonstated a complete ignorance of the scientific method and what's more disturbing is that you choose to be wilfully ignorant of it. Even more disturbing than that, is some people you share your views with have access to impressional young minds within the education system.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:00 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Perhaps you could repeat here then. Let's get this sorted once and for all. You can, of course, choose not to.

Only one of us chose never to answer. It was you. However they are all in this thread. One of us will have to go back and find them. As I already took the time to write them once, I think it's fairer that you now take the time to read them, as opposed to me having to find and repost them just because you could neither be arrsed to answer at the time, and can't be arrsed to look back now.

kirkstaller wrote:

Scientists come with baggage - their rejection of almighty God.

As has been said, there are many scientists of various faiths. But you know this.

kirkstaller wrote:

The hopping around of the age of the Earth?

Epic fail. Theories about the age of the Earth are in fact a good example of how science works. As a result of all the work that has been done, there is agreement that the evidence shows the Earth is an ancient celestial body, and the most accurate figures so far show an age of around 4 1/2 billion years. That is all based on extremely solid and extremely extensive hard fact and evidence. The better the methods, the more accurate the measurement. It's also quite funny, since no person, especially not you, can make a coherent case against the science, so you ignore it and pathetically bleat "it must be wrong though cos it ain't in our book".

kirkstaller wrote:

That is not a straw man.

Of course it was. I think it's all you've got.

But of course your list of replies to my many outstanding questions could I suppose always surprise me.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:18 pm  

Kirkstaller quotes from his Bible and baldly states that this is a list of facts. Is it?

kirkstaller wrote:

And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars.

The Moon is not a light, though. The Sun is, and at certain times the Moon reflects the light of the Sun onto the Earth's night-side, at others it doesn't. But the Moon itself has no light. SO, God did NOT make two great lights. And so we have indisputable proof that here is a "fact" which is just plain wrong. Thus putting the kybosh on the rest of the rubbish, since you told us it is all 100% deffo incontrovertibly true.

kirkstaller wrote:

Then God said, “Let us make man[h] in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Can you enlighten me in what way, exactly, man had dominion over dinosaurs?

kirkstaller wrote:

"And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.

But there are many animals that are carnivores. And there are many birds that eat only fish. Green plants don't cut it for them. And so we have more indisputable proof that here is a "fact" which is just plain wrong.

Also, there is no mention of mushrooms. As fungi are one of the most widespread life forms on the planet, this is odd. Is he forgetful?

I also don't see any mention of bacteria, or viruses. Another oversight? Also, why in the event does man not have dominion over viruses nor, until quite recent medical inventions, dominion over a whole host of bacteria, all of which until recent times most definitely held dominion over man? It doesn't say anything about fixing fscked-up stuff up later on when god had time, so it can't be that.

Do you have anything less easy to shoot down?

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:01 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Only one of us chose never to answer. It was you. However they are all in this thread. One of us will have to go back and find them. As I already took the time to write them once, I think it's fairer that you now take the time to read them, as opposed to me having to find and repost them just because you could neither be arrsed to answer at the time, and can't be arrsed to look back now.

Are these questions cryptic or something? Like I have said, post them here for me to answer. If you feel the need, create your own thread.

As has been said, there are many scientists of various faiths. But you know this.

No scientist who has been born again believes that life created itself. FACT.

Epic fail. Theories about the age of the Earth are in fact a good example of how science works. As a result of all the work that has been done, there is agreement that the evidence shows the Earth is an ancient celestial body, and the most accurate figures so far show an age of around 4 1/2 billion years. That is all based on extremely solid and extremely extensive hard fact and evidence. The better the methods, the more accurate the measurement. It's also quite funny, since no person, especially not you, can make a coherent case against the science, so you ignore it and pathetically bleat "it must be wrong though cos it ain't in our book".

Accuracy of measurement, eh? What a sorry excuse. I'm sure the previous 'wrong measurements' were 'scientific facts' also? Facts are objectively constant, not a building exercise.

Of course it was. I think it's all you've got.

Look up the definition of a straw man. It's dishonestly distorting or making up your opponents position. I was pre-empting you stating that science's 'flexibility' was a virtue.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Kirkstaller quotes from his Bible and baldly states that this is a list of facts. Is it?

The Moon is not a light, though. The Sun is, and at certain times the Moon reflects the light of the Sun onto the Earth's night-side, at others it doesn't. But the Moon itself has no light. SO, God did NOT make two great lights. And so we have indisputable proof that here is a "fact" which is just plain wrong. Thus putting the kybosh on the rest of the rubbish, since you told us it is all 100% deffo incontrovertibly true.

The Moon has the light of the Sun, but look in the sky, there are two great lights.

Can you enlighten me in what way, exactly, man had dominion over dinosaurs?

How dare you accuse me of ignorance when you show yourself here to be ignorant of scripture.

Why shouldn't men have dominion over dinosaurs? You do know that before the fall, all dinosaurs were herbivores?

But there are many animals that are carnivores. And there are many birds that eat only fish. Green plants don't cut it for them. And so we have more indisputable proof that here is a "fact" which is just plain wrong.

Again, you're demonstrating breathtaking ignorance.

Also, there is no mention of mushrooms. As fungi are one of the most widespread life forms on the planet, this is odd. Is he forgetful?

I don't think so, but you seem kind of obsessed with mushrooms

I also don't see any mention of bacteria, or viruses. Another oversight?

God created millions of species. Why do you think they all needed naming? Sorry, still can't get over your obsession with mushrooms.

Also, why in the event does man not have dominion over viruses nor, until quite recent medical inventions, dominion over a whole host of bacteria, all of which until recent times most definitely held dominion over man? It doesn't say anything about fixing fscked-up stuff up later on when god had time, so it can't be that.

God did not create any disease, including viruses. Death only entered the world as a result of mankind's decision to rebel against God. We created death, not God.

Do you have anything less easy to shoot down?

Mushrooms lol

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:12 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

more total and utter nonsense

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:02 pm  

What is kirkstaller on ?

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:06 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

What is kirkstaller on ?

Jupiter?

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:11 pm  

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:24 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

God did not create any disease, including viruses. Death only entered the world as a result of mankind's decision to rebel against God. We created death, not God.

Who or what was the being that created disease and virus ?

I think I want to worship that being or deity for it seems to be a lot more powerful and intelligent than your God.