Re: Donald Trump : Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:25 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

You tories? On another thread you said you have voted for them. You weren't fibbing were you?

I voted for them in 1997, 2001, 2005 and 2010. My parents were Conservative members in Leeds North West back when it was a safe Tory seat so I spent a bit of time as a kid waiting around party events. That constituency is a no-go area for Conservatives nowadays but where I live now is rather more marginal.

But under Major, and even Hague and Howard it was a different party to what we've seen the past six months. Our one time MP Keith Hampson would have been drummed out of the party like Ken Clarke and the rest.

Re: Donald Trump : Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:21 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

I voted for them in 1997, 2001, 2005 and 2010. My parents were Conservative members in Leeds North West back when it was a safe Tory seat so I spent a bit of time as a kid waiting around party events. That constituency is a no-go area for Conservatives nowadays but where I live now is rather more marginal.

But under Major, and even Hague and Howard it was a different party to what we've seen the past six months. Our one time MP Keith Hampson would have been drummed out of the party like Ken Clarke and the rest.

You mean the married Keith Hampson that was caught in a gay strip joint in Soho manhandling the merchandise - he deserved drumming out of the party.

Re: Donald Trump : Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:29 am  

WIZEB wrote:

I bet the Health Minister was overjoyed about having to shoot up to Leeds double pronto to mop up after his leader.
I wonder how long it took Boris to get potty trained or whether his nanny was still having to wipe his @rse when he was attending Eton?

That's his job - shame Labour have to resort to this kind of action - anybody who has ever taken a child that is seriously ill into A&E knows they will get priority. There was a perfectly usable trolley the boy could have been laid on not 2 metres away. This was done for effect, which parent in their right mind would put their child on the floor, take a picture and sell it to a newspaper? What does it say to the hard working staff on the day who have given the illness the priority their professional training/experience suggests when compared to other cases? No wonder the family don't want to any further news coverage - disgusting and they should be ashamed of the what they are suggesting are the competences of the hard working staff at LGI.

Re: Donald Trump : Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:42 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

That's his job - shame Labour have to resort to this kind of action - anybody who has ever taken a child that is seriously ill into A&E knows they will get priority. There was a perfectly usable trolley the boy could have been laid on not 2 metres away. This was done for effect, which parent in their right mind would put their child on the floor, take a picture and sell it to a newspaper? What does it say to the hard working staff on the day who have given the illness the priority their professional training/experience suggests when compared to other cases? No wonder the family don't want to any further news coverage - disgusting and they should be ashamed of the what they are suggesting are the competences of the hard working staff at LGI.

Bloody hell Sal, you're very quick to defend ANYTHING that happens on the Tory watch and yet, you back a party that has created fake twitter accounts to back up Tory lies - get a grip man
Although it wasn't in a hospital, you will no doubt have seen the Tory MP, who inadvertently left his mike switched on as he was "grooming" a regular punter into saying what was required.
The hospital haven't said that this story was faked, the denials have all come from "someone" who has a "friend" that works there.
The lies appear to have come from friends of the Tory's, desperate to rubbish the story - maybe someone like you ?
Also worth noting that, the family have been full of praise for the hospital staff and this doesnt reflect on them in any way.

Re: Donald Trump : Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:47 am  

Sal Paradise wrote: That's his job - shame Labour have to resort to this kind of action - anybody who has ever taken a child that is seriously ill into A&E knows they will get priority. There was a perfectly usable trolley the boy could have been laid on not 2 metres away. This was done for effect, which parent in their right mind would put their child on the floor, take a picture and sell it to a newspaper? What does it say to the hard working staff on the day who have given the illness the priority their professional training/experience suggests when compared to other cases? No wonder the family don't want to any further news coverage - disgusting and they should be ashamed of the what they are suggesting are the competences of the hard working staff at LGI. https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/lgi-bosses-apologise-after-four-17385357

Sal Paradise wrote: That's his job - shame Labour have to resort to this kind of action - anybody who has ever taken a child that is seriously ill into A&E knows they will get priority. There was a perfectly usable trolley the boy could have been laid on not 2 metres away. This was done for effect, which parent in their right mind would put their child on the floor, take a picture and sell it to a newspaper? What does it say to the hard working staff on the day who have given the illness the priority their professional training/experience suggests when compared to other cases? No wonder the family don't want to any further news coverage - disgusting and they should be ashamed of the what they are suggesting are the competences of the hard working staff at LGI. https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/lgi-bosses-apologise-after-four-17385357

Re: Donald Trump : Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:38 am  

NEVER MIND THE BOY ON THE FLOOR - A LABOUR THUG PUNCHED MATT HANCOCK'S LARYNX OUT!*

















*this is a dead cat

Re: Donald Trump : Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:50 am  

bren2k wrote:

NEVER MIND THE BOY ON THE FLOOR - A LABOUR THUG PUNCHED MATT HANCOCK'S LARYNX OUT!*


Yes and according to some of the press they were taxied in by Labour but I guess they had to make their own way home because the man falsely accused had a bike. I wonder if he will receive an apology from the Sun or Mail who also made the same false claim.














*this is a dead cat

Re: Donald Trump : Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:53 am  

IR80 wrote:

chuck policing, court and prison costs in too.

but as you say, sticking powder up your nose every weekend is acceptable, apparently.

Which "users" are you referring to that "stick powder up their nose "every weekend" ?
Celebrities, pop stars, the very well off or maybe it's just the "street users", most of whom are probably using different substances, altogether.

Re: Donald Trump : Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:55 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

I voted for them in 1997, 2001, 2005 and 2010. My parents were Conservative members in Leeds North West back when it was a safe Tory seat so I spent a bit of time as a kid waiting around party events. That constituency is a no-go area for Conservatives nowadays but where I live now is rather more marginal.

But under Major, and even Hague and Howard it was a different party to what we've seen the past six months. Our one time MP Keith Hampson would have been drummed out of the party like Ken Clarke and the rest.

There has been a very definite change.

The Tory party, like Labour, has always been a broad church in terms of Thatcherite radicals v One Nation types, but they all shared certain principles. First a belief in defending British institutions: the rule of law, the courts, the civil service, Parliament. Second, a belief in individual freedom and prosperity and limiting the power of the Government: prioritising the small business owner, lower-middle income family with aspiration etc.

The Johnson cabal actively want to disrupt and reshape those institutions for the purposes of giving the Government more power at the expense of individuals - political appointments to the courts, replacing the permanent civil service with a right-wing think-tank led policy service, disrespecting Parliament. Also their approach to the business community is now shocking from a Conservative party. Their main priority is to make sure business stakeholders tow the line on their Brexit policy. They are complaining that 'business needs to listen to the Government' when it should be the other way round. Their interest in small businesses has become replaced by chasing high value business donors.

Also their economic strategy has moved away from fiscal conservatism and a limited state to a right-wing economic populism: willing to throw the cash around to purchase political advantage. It is really unbelievable that they are now taking Corbyn's position on saying they want to be freed from EU State Aid rules so that they can use taxpayers' money to subsidise struggling British businesses.

Re: Donald Trump : Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:02 am  

[quote="sally cinnamon"]There has been a very definite change.

The Tory party, like Labour, has always been a broad church in terms of Thatcherite radicals v One Nation types, but they all shared certain principles. First a belief in defending British institutions: the rule of law, the courts, the civil service, Parliament. Second, a belief in individual freedom and prosperity and limiting the power of the Government: prioritising the small business owner, lower-middle income family with aspiration etc.

The Johnson cabal actively want to disrupt and reshape those institutions for the purposes of giving the Government more power at the expense of individuals - political appointments to the courts, replacing the permanent civil service with a right-wing think-tank led policy service, disrespecting Parliament. Also their approach to the business community is now shocking from a Conservative party. Their main priority is to make sure business stakeholders tow the line on their Brexit policy. They are complaining that 'business needs to listen to the Government' when it should be the other way round. Their interest in small businesses has become replaced by chasing high value business donors.

Also their economic strategy has moved away from fiscal conservatism and a limited state to a right-wing economic populism: willing to throw the cash around to purchase political advantage. It is really unbelievable that they are now taking Corbyn's position on saying they want to be freed from EU State Aid rules so that they can use taxpayers' money to subsidise struggling British businesses.[/quot

Very well put