Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:45 am  

Herd immunity was all about keeping the economy going - the view was lots of people would get mild symptoms and carry on.

As it is we have trashed the economy - happy days

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:49 am  

Jukesays wrote:

You have no idea about my outlook on life
After reading thousands of your opinionated I'm alright Jack posts (your not the worst by some stretch though,) I've more idea about your outlook on life then you on mine.

STILL NO RESPONSE to anyone who pointed out that they are still short of PPE in certain hospitals.

Look I appreciate that you think we are all as stupid as you - but it doesn't take a lot of reading to understand where your sympathies lie - as an employer I have a duty to maintain a position that protects the majority - I cannot be all things to all people

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:53 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

Oh shut up. 10 days ago I was on here saying the government should have been getting British based clothing companies making PPE and guess what they have now started asking Burberry to do it. I posted that 10 days ago and thought about it weeks ago.

If I thought of it surely the government should have. The reason they didn’t is because they thought herd immunity was the way to go. Then when they realised it would be too unpopular changed tack.

Whether you like the government or not it is clear that at every point they have been behind where they should have been in decision making.

The worst thing is that when you add on to the death rates with announced deaths in hospitals with community deaths and those in care home s there is a good chance we exceed Italy. Now that is shocking as we had at least two weeks notice of what was coming.

You are making a massive leap that Burberry could have started 10 days ago - which is very unlikely as A) they would have needed to get the material B) they would have needed to rejig the machinery to produce these garments C) they would need to train the staff

This is the problem with you Public sector administrators - incapable of actually thinking through an issue.

[Durham Giant]

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:56 am  

Cronus wrote: Shut up? I think you're better just ignoring facts as you usually do, rather than reading them and replying "oh shut up". The concept of herd immunity has nothing to do with the provision of PPE. What a phenomenally stupid suggestion. Oh we all know you suggested Burberry get involved, you haven't stopped banging on about it like no-one else on the feckin planet had considered it. I hate to burst your bubble but they've been doing it for weeks, as have thousands of other companies across the country, and millions across the globe. Why? Because PPE is in short supply across the planet. Burberry announced on31/3 they were going to draft production of ppe. They went into production the following Tuesday and made their first delivery on good Friday. How long after c19 was identified as a concern and that government estimates on infection was that they needed to be ready for a major outbreak was that. No matter what you try to do to deflect from the facts. The government was caught with its pants down and us still struggling to catch up

Cronus wrote: Shut up? I think you're better just ignoring facts as you usually do, rather than reading them and replying "oh shut up". The concept of herd immunity has nothing to do with the provision of PPE. What a phenomenally stupid suggestion. Oh we all know you suggested Burberry get involved, you haven't stopped banging on about it like no-one else on the feckin planet had considered it. I hate to burst your bubble but they've been doing it for weeks, as have thousands of other companies across the country, and millions across the globe. Why? Because PPE is in short supply across the planet. Burberry announced on31/3 they were going to draft production of ppe. They went into production the following Tuesday and made their first delivery on good Friday. How long after c19 was identified as a concern and that government estimates on infection was that they needed to be ready for a major outbreak was that. No matter what you try to do to deflect from the facts. The government was caught with its pants down and us still struggling to catch up

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:02 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

Burberry announced on31/3 they were going to draft production of ppe. They went into production the following Tuesday and made their first delivery on good Friday.


How long after c19 was identified as a concern and that government estimates on infection was that they needed to be ready for a major outbreak was that.

No matter what you try to do to deflect from the facts.

The government was caught with its pants down and us still struggling to catch up

Totally agree.

The world was alerted to the problem in China and then a major problem in Italy but, the UK chose to act when cases started occurring here, instead of covering for the problem.
There has to be some sympathy for the scale of this thing and the fact that every nation on the planet is affected and all are looking for the same remedied, in terms of drugs, PPE etc.

However, for me, it's the arrogant attitude of government ministers, telling us that there is no problem and then going on to blame mis use of these items by frontline workers that really irks.

There is absolutely no humility from the Tories whatsoever and as usual, they are looking to move the blame as far from their own front door as possible.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:04 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

Burberry announced on31/3 they were going to draft production of ppe. They went into production the following Tuesday and made their first delivery on good Friday.


How long after c19 was identified as a concern and that government estimates on infection was that they needed to be ready for a major outbreak was that.

No matter what you try to do to deflect from the facts.

The government was caught with its pants down and us still struggling to catch up

I am not disagreeing with you - but then so have most of the governments across Europe - its what happens when you get a once in a generation public health emergency and you have a load of public servants dealing with it.

[Durham Giant]

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:09 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You are making a massive leap that Burberry could have started 10 days ago - which is very unlikely as A) they would have needed to get the material B) they would have needed to rejig the machinery to produce these garments C) they would need to train the staff

This is the problem with you Public sector administrators - incapable of actually thinking through an issue.

I agree about sourcing the material that is harder.

In terms of Rejigging machinery and training the staff. I know someone doing that at the Barbour factory in South Shields . She said that took about half an hour . Following patterns , cutting cloth and changing needles and cotton is what garment makers do every day.

Volunteer sewing groups have been learning how to make scrubs at home with a one hour tutorial off YouTube.

That is the problem with you capitalist types you think workers are stupid and cannot do things without you explaining it. Workers just want to get on and make a difference whilst you spend all your time thinking about profit margins

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:11 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Totally agree.

The world was alerted to the problem in China and then a major problem in Italy but, the UK chose to act when cases started occurring here, instead of covering for the problem.
There has to be some sympathy for the scale of this thing and the fact that every nation on the planet is affected and all are looking for the same remedied, in terms of drugs, PPE etc.

However, for me, it's the arrogant attitude of government ministers, telling us that there is no problem and then going on to blame mis use of these items by frontline workers that really irks.

There is absolutely no humility from the Tories whatsoever and as usual, they are looking to move the blame as far from their own front door as possible.

I think that is a bit harsh - could they have done things differently of course they could have - has this been through lack of effort definitely not. It takes a lot to push the economy back 10 years in a matter of months and I genuinely believe that was what they were trying to avoid. These are big decisions that I doubt any of us would want to have to take.

[Durham Giant]

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:21 am  

And for those who think this is just a political debate. It is not this is about people dying. Today the sun and the times hopefully they are right wing enough for some of our posters to accept report that there have been 7500 deaths in care homes. Add that to the announced figures from the government in hospitals and it means we are a about 200 behind italy on total deaths. With the announced death rates following similar trajectory’s As yesterday that means Britain may overtake Italy today in number of deaths. That makes Britain the worst in Europe and second only to the USA. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries The link above gives the best figures I have seen for announced deaths

And for those who think this is just a political debate. It is not this is about people dying. Today the sun and the times hopefully they are right wing enough for some of our posters to accept report that there have been 7500 deaths in care homes. Add that to the announced figures from the government in hospitals and it means we are a about 200 behind italy on total deaths. With the announced death rates following similar trajectory’s As yesterday that means Britain may overtake Italy today in number of deaths. That makes Britain the worst in Europe and second only to the USA. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries The link above gives the best figures I have seen for announced deaths

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:26 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

I agree about sourcing the material that is harder.

In terms of Rejigging machinery and training the staff. I know someone doing that at the Barbour factory in South Shields . She said that took about half an hour . Following patterns , cutting cloth and changing needles and cotton is what garment makers do every day.

Volunteer sewing groups have been learning how to make scrubs at home with a one hour tutorial off YouTube.

That is the problem with you capitalist types you think workers are stupid and cannot do things without you explaining it. Workers just want to get on and make a difference whilst you spend all your time thinking about profit margins

Nobody thinks employees are stupid you wouldn't employ them - if you did your firm would be worse for it - unlike the public sector the only way you can keep these people in jobs is to ensure your revenues exceed your costs i.e. profits - sadly a misunderstood concept from you public sector administrators - that is what its like at the sharp end.