Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon May 11, 2020 8:45 am  

Johnson should have stayed in that fridge.

He's a pillock.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon May 11, 2020 8:48 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

Here's a quick factoid about what secondary schools reopening, with social distancing measures, would look like.

At the school where I'm based, we have 360 kids per year. The suggestion is that just year 10s will return in June to get some time with teachers before next year's exams. If this is the case, and the 2 metre social distancing rule has to be observed, the dinner queue would be nearly half a mile long. Obviously, they'd use the three sittings to be able to spread out the dinners, but you're still looking at 3 sittings, each with a 240 metre long queue.

What does the length of a queue matter? Longer queues don't mean more people.

Serve them a pack lunch if its that much of a worry or pre pack the lunches and out them on the tables. Is really that big an issue?

We've got a pandemic which is incurring hardship and you're worried about the length of a queue. That suggests they're getting it right to me if thats all we have to worry about. Or you are just an over thinker/worrier.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon May 11, 2020 8:49 am  

Ovavoo wrote:

Johnson should have stayed in that fridge.

He's a pillock.

Have you been thinking that through since 7 last night?

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon May 11, 2020 8:59 am  

wire-quin wrote:

What does the length of a queue matter? Longer queues don't mean more people.

Serve them a pack lunch if its that much of a worry or pre pack the lunches and out them on the tables. Is really that big an issue?

We've got a pandemic which is incurring hardship and you're worried about the length of a queue. That suggests they're getting it right to me if thats all we have to worry about. Or you are just an over thinker/worrier.

Getting it right, are you joking?

Give your head a good wobble.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon May 11, 2020 9:04 am  

Ovavoo wrote:

Getting it right, are you joking?

Give your head a good wobble.

Are you going to elaborate or are you keeping it short this morning?

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon May 11, 2020 9:27 am  

wire-quin wrote:

What does the length of a queue matter? Longer queues don't mean more people.

Serve them a pack lunch if its that much of a worry or pre pack the lunches and out them on the tables. Is really that big an issue?

We've got a pandemic which is incurring hardship and you're worried about the length of a queue. That suggests they're getting it right to me if thats all we have to worry about. Or you are just an over thinker/worrier.

The queues aren't the issue. Do you really think the queues are the issue here? It's just highlighting how hard it is to 'police' the 2 metre social distancing measures. When our school is fully open there are nearly 2500 kids, and a few hundred staff. How do you social distance that amount of people in a school? How do you stop kids being kids, coughing at each other saying, "you've got Corona now"? How do you move 2500 kids round a school 6-7 times a day without contact? How do you clean every desk and chair down between lessons? Now times this by 30+ schools.

You could serve them packed lunches at their tables. Would those tables be the tables which seat 2 next to each other, or 4 in a 1.5 metre square space? Either way, they're not socially distanced.

It's going to be part of my job to work out how the message is communicated once we start opening all our schools again. I've got a picture of our sites in my head, and the number of kids/staff, and I can only see closures again if infection rates start going up again.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon May 11, 2020 9:44 am  

wire-quin wrote:

Are you going to elaborate or are you keeping it short this morning?

31,855 deaths, don't really need to add anything else.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon May 11, 2020 9:49 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

The queues aren't the issue. Do you really think the queues are the issue here? It's just highlighting how hard it is to 'police' the 2 metre social distancing measures. When our school is fully open there are nearly 2500 kids, and a few hundred staff. How do you social distance that amount of people in a school? How do you stop kids being kids, coughing at each other saying, "you've got Corona now"? How do you move 2500 kids round a school 6-7 times a day without contact? How do you clean every desk and chair down between lessons? Now times this by 30+ schools.

You could serve them packed lunches at their tables. Would those tables be the tables which seat 2 next to each other, or 4 in a 1.5 metre square space? Either way, they're not socially distanced.

It's going to be part of my job to work out how the message is communicated once we start opening all our schools again. I've got a picture of our sites in my head, and the number of kids/staff, and I can only see closures again if infection rates start going up again.

So are you suggesting no education in schools until a vaccine is developed - which could be several years?

There has to be a trade off - education vs increase in infection rates - you could have shifts starting at say 6AM and finishing at 6PM - the lunch break being the swop over. That way you reduce you numbers by half straight away. You then make better use of the facilities - again you reduce the numbers by half all of a sudden your 2,500 has become 625 - teachers are suppose to inspire our kids - its time they starting showing some initiative.

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon May 11, 2020 9:51 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The first part "may" be possible for some employers / employees but, definitely not with 12 hours notice ??

The second part is a little odd/impossible with absolutely open borders between England / Scotland and England / Wales

If you live in Wrexham and work in Chester or visa versa, what are you permitted to do ?

Also, in theory, you could drive into Wales to go walking (from Wednesday) but, in Wales itself, you are supposed to stay home ??

These are just a couple of examples

The new "rules" are as clear as mud

It really isn't difficult - wherever your end destination is - those are the rules you use!! If you are driving into England then those rules apply?

Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon May 11, 2020 10:12 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

It really isn't difficult - wherever your end destination is - those are the rules you use!! If you are driving into England then those rules apply?

If you live in Wales, in theory, you wouldn't be allowed to drive, so, coming accross the border to England wouldn't be permitted ??