Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:07 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

There is nothing out there in any polls to suggest the result would be any different this time around - the likelihood is a increase for leave due to many thinking Parliament has its own agenda i.e. remain and the vote of the people is being ignored. Even the arch remainers have to accept there was as much negative propaganda from the remain side i.e. the economy will implode, taxation will immediately need to be increased etc. The problem for remain was the public didn't believe it and that has proved to be correct.

You say that the "public didnt believe them" and you are right. However, if the remain "propaganda" was all lies, please explain why pretty much all politicians (apart from the hardcore leavers) dont want a "no deal" Brexit.

IF Mrs May, bumles along, still hoping for her deal (plus a few tweaks) can get through and we end up with no deal, I think you may find the prophecy of "project fear" to be a hell of a lot more accurate than you believe.

Let's all hope that it doesn't come to that or, you may just see a shrinking ecconomy (its not exactly growing at the moment) and certain taxes already look like they will need to increase as our logal government services are all cut to the bone (and beyond), policing is in crisis.

The problem with many leavers is the belief of a utopian future, hich, even after 2 years, NOBODY has been able to put forward a decent arguement to substantiate, NOBODY.

It would sure make life interesting though

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:30 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote: There is nothing out there in any polls to suggest the result would be any different this time around - the likelihood is a increase for leave due to many thinking Parliament has its own agenda i.e. remain and the vote of the people is being ignored. Even the arch remainers have to accept there was as much negative propaganda from the remain side i.e. the economy will implode, taxation will immediately need to be increased etc. The problem for remain was the public didn't believe it and that has proved to be correct. You’re a complete fraud. Why do people think they can just make stuff up and people will believe them. https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/i ... e/?removed

Sal Paradise wrote: There is nothing out there in any polls to suggest the result would be any different this time around - the likelihood is a increase for leave due to many thinking Parliament has its own agenda i.e. remain and the vote of the people is being ignored. Even the arch remainers have to accept there was as much negative propaganda from the remain side i.e. the economy will implode, taxation will immediately need to be increased etc. The problem for remain was the public didn't believe it and that has proved to be correct. You’re a complete fraud. Why do people think they can just make stuff up and people will believe them. https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/i ... e/?removed

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:23 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

There is nothing out there in any polls to suggest the result would be any different this time around - the likelihood is a increase for leave due to many thinking Parliament has its own agenda i.e. remain and the vote of the people is being ignored. Even the arch remainers have to accept there was as much negative propaganda from the remain side i.e. the economy will implode, taxation will immediately need to be increased etc. The problem for remain was the public didn't believe it and that has proved to be correct.

Surely the problem remain had was the status quo would just continue, whilst the brexiter's could promise the earth, which they did, with bells on.

The problem was, seventeen million people believed the guff from Bojo et al, which has proved to be incorrect.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:31 pm  

Strinket wrote: You’re a complete fraud. Why do people think they can just make stuff up and people will believe them. https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/i ... e/?removed Well that wraps it up then. Because the polls are 100% reliable as we've seen repeatedly in recent years.

Strinket wrote: You’re a complete fraud. Why do people think they can just make stuff up and people will believe them. https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/i ... e/?removed Well that wraps it up then. Because the polls are 100% reliable as we've seen repeatedly in recent years.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:47 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The problem with many leavers is the belief of a utopian future

This is one of the big failures with remainers, that they dismiss anybody who voted leave as uneducated, uninformed and that they all believed it would be as dreamy as some Brexiteers made out.

Reality is most will have know that leaving wouldn’t have been as “utopian” as politicians made out when campaigning. Considering a decent percent of leave votes were older people, they’ve lived long enough to experience and know what politicians claim in campaigns doesn’t equate to coming true, so it’s just ridiculous and sounds like pure bitterness when remainers try and stereotype leave voters as all the same and in a derogatory manner.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:36 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

This is one of the big failures with remainers, that they dismiss anybody who voted leave as uneducated, uninformed and that they all believed it would be as dreamy as some Brexiteers made out.

Reality is most will have know that leaving wouldn’t have been as “utopian” as politicians made out when campaigning. Considering a decent percent of leave votes were older people, they’ve lived long enough to experience and know what politicians claim in campaigns doesn’t equate to coming true, so it’s just ridiculous and sounds like pure bitterness when remainers try and stereotype leave voters as all the same and in a derogatory manner.

Are you saying that Boris, Farage & Co told everyone that they would be financially worse off ?? Really ??
The promise was to take back control, and lead the UK to a brighter, more prosperous future.
Please explain when and how this will happen following Brexit.

I'm not sure that I stereotyped leavers at all

As for politicians not telling the truth, you may be right BUT, on this issue, with Brexit not being along party lines, who will be accountable IF it all goes horribly wrong ??

Only Farage & Co were "selling a dream", sadly, that's all it is and reality is somewhat different and as for being bitter, I dont think so, but, I'll give you anger.

I'm not sure how many people would be happy about being made deliberately poorer, I certainly not.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:11 am  

Surprised May has not had a visit from the Tory Grandee's or Men in Suits yet! Unusual for them to hang on to a lame duck!

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:30 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Are you saying that Boris, Farage & Co told everyone that they would be financially worse off ?? Really ??.

No I’m not saying that....as proven by the fact that i DIDN’T say it.

It’s just the ridiculous idea that ALL leave voters thought they’d get exactly what was claimed by certain politicians when realistically most know that what politicians claim never comes true 100%

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:07 am  

Cronus wrote:

Well that wraps it up then. Because the polls are 100% reliable as we've seen repeatedly in recent years.

And why do people try to be smart arses without reading everything first?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:57 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

No I’m not saying that....as proven by the fact that i DIDN’T say it.

It’s just the ridiculous idea that ALL leave voters thought they’d get exactly what was claimed by certain politicians when realistically most know that what politicians claim never comes true 100%

You are being more than slightly ridiculous.

Of course not ALL leave voters thought that they'd get exactly what was claimed, in fact, I'd suggest that NONE of them did.
However, what effect do you think that the London Bus (and the poster with "immigrants" queueing up at the border) actually had ? just to make it easy for you, you can answer anywhere from 0 to 100% and you should factor in, not just the blatant lies but the effect of the same lies being regurgitated by the press and social media.
Despite the falling sales of daily newspapers and most people taking their newsfeed on line, the effect can be huge.

Moving on.
It's looking more and more likely that we may end up with some kind of customs union with the EU, which would be some kind of middle ground.
It will annoy the hell out of Farage and Boris, which can only be a good thing but, we have to wait and see.